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[PsyberianHusky]

Any word on what so-called "ender sand" does?

And holy crap, from what I've read getting to the End will be far more difficult and time consuming than building a Nether gate.

It gives worlds a long term goal, Building a neather gate can be done in thirty min if you are lucky.

[eerr]

probably a goal for adventure mode.

(It was all just a dreaaaaam!)

[jaxy15]

Any word on what so-called "ender sand" does?

It's white stone. Not sand. It drops cobblestone.

[Tilla]

Technic v4 just hit http://www.mediafire.com/?k5c7m7w1ktpt4dn

It's now on 1.8.1. Redpower is missing this time because a stable release isn't ready yet for 1.8.

Coming soon: TechnicSMP

Thanks! How do you know that? Is there an official website for the technic pack?

There'll never really be a site for Technic mostly because it's an illegtimately assembled modpack. That said the Something Awful forums are the place to track it, in the Minecraft Modding thread

[Micro102]

Surely all he has to do is ask permission. It's not like they refused to allow it to be used, it was just a personal pack that got leaked.

[Tilla]

Surely all he has to do is ask permission. It's not like they refused to allow it to be used, it was just a personal pack that got leaked.

No, many of them refuse. It says right in their posts: don't even ask to include in a modpack.

Kakermix simply doesn't care about stroking the egos of Minecraft's already frankly insane modders.

[jaxy15]

I downloaded a mod which lets you spawn enderdragons with a golden sword, and go to the End with a diamond sword.
Why the hell won't you die, dragons?!

[Micro102]

Now that i think about it.... Why do you even need permission to use a mod in a mod pack? Do they copyright their mods or something?

[Tilla]

Now that i think about it.... Why do you even need permission to use a mod in a mod pack? Do they copyright their mods or something?

Yes. Irrationally strong copyrights, considering they're using derivative works.

[jaxy15]

The dragons keep digging up caves.
So many mobs..

[0x517A5D]

Now that i think about it.... Why do you even need permission to use a mod in a mod pack? Do they copyright their mods or something?

Yes.  Copyright is automatic.  cf. the Berne Convention.  If Kakermix was passing his only copy of the mod to one single other party, the first-sale doctrine would apply, but that is not the case here.

It's the modders' work, they get to decide.  Kakermix is legally in the wrong.  Morally?  More of a question, with points on both side.

Fakeedit:

Yes. Irrationally strong copyrights, considering they're using derivative works.

Derivative works?  So what?  What does that have to do with anything?  Is Mojang code included in these mods?  If so, they're illegal themselves according to Mojang's license; if not, the fact that they interface to Mojang's work doesn't really affect this point.

[Tilla]

Now that i think about it.... Why do you even need permission to use a mod in a mod pack? Do they copyright their mods or something?

Yes.  Copyright is automatic.  cf. the Berne Convention.  If Kakermix was passing his only copy of the mod to one single other party, the first-sale doctrine would apply, but that is not the case here.

It's the modders' work, they get to decide.  Kakermix is legally in the wrong.  Morally?  More of a question, with points on both side.

Fakeedit:

Yes. Irrationally strong copyrights, considering they're using derivative works.

Derivative works?  So what?  What does that have to do with anything?  Is Mojang code included in these mods?  If so, they're illegal themselves according to Mojang's license; if not, the fact that they interface to Mojang's work doesn't really affect this point.

Yes, all mods include modifications of Mojang's code. It is based on deobfuscating the files within the minecraft.jar. They are distributing modifications to Notch's code and then claiming copyright.

Not that any of this will ever effect Kakermix and the Technic team (it's growing!). They never intended to release it outside the SA forums (Kaker just made it for himself, and only posted it to the forums because people begged him to help set up their own packs with the bigger mods). Now it's mostly a matter of laughing at the limpwristed legal threats of the minecraft community Most of the modders actually are pretty chill about it too (with the exemption of the Better Than Wolves guy, who is frankly a retarded piece of shit) as it's given them triple digits of donations and lots more attention.

[Biag]

I don't get why they'd be miffed about it in the first place. If I made a mod, I would be thrilled for it to end up in a popular, accessible modpack which is then featured on the Yogscast.

[PsyberianHusky]

I don't get why they'd be miffed about it in the first place. If I made a mod, I would be thrilled for it to end up in a popular, accessible modpack which is then featured on the Yogscast.

I would have never have used them otherwise.

[dragnar]

I don't get why they'd be miffed about it in the first place. If I made a mod, I would be thrilled for it to end up in a popular, accessible modpack which is then featured on the Yogscast.

Same... It makes rather little sense. I mean really, modpacks do nothing but make people's mods MORE accessible to people. I could understand the complaints if he was claiming he made the mods... but he isn't. It's just a easy way of using multiple popular mods, without all the hassle.

It's literally complaining about free advertising.