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[poca]

If I could, I would invest in your experiments.They are useful to improve efficiency of my own facilities.
When I tested watermills, I never went beyond the "It works" stage, and while the theoretical background I had was sufficient for good energy production, it seems your experiments can still give interesting and unexpected information to improve efficiency further.

Could you use the acquired knowledge from your experiments to calculate how many optimal watermills would be needed to run an autominer without depleting MFEs?

Your appreciation is duly noted. 

Spoiler: numerically literate speculation (click to show/hide)

Before I can answer your question, I would need to know how fast the Miner uses EU.

Just before the credits in the IC OP, he has listed the amount of EU required for each operation of the Miner as 500 EU. I'm pretty sure that means you'll need 500 EU to drill down each level and 500 EU to retract your mining pipes every level.

That just leaves the question of how much time we have to supply that energy.

I ran another mini experiment and put 8 Mining Pipes into an uncharged Miner, connected a wire and it took 44 seconds to mine through 8 cobblestone. That works out to a duration of drilling 6 seconds for each of the 8 pipes.

I ran a simnilarr mini experiment to test the time it takes to retract those 8 pipes by depleting the Miner and timing the extraction it took 45 secconds which is still about 6 seconds to extract the pipes.

So the Miner is using 500 EU every 6 seconds which means this rate is

r_M = 83 EU/sec = 500 EU / 6 sec.


I'm pretty sure the optimal water mill design is the one in my second trial which had only the water mill and a single wire taking up space in its 3x3x3 cube. I can just take that rate:

r2 = 6.98 EU/sec = 2108 EU / 302 sec


Now we can just divide the Miner's rate by r2 and that will tell us how many mills we need:

11.9 = (83 EU/sec) / (6.98 EU/sec)

12 optimally designed water mills should provide enough EU to constantly power a miner.

[alway]

I had heard some talk from notch about mods infected with keyloggers; how well vetted has the industry mod been? It sounds like fun, but w/o the official mod support in to prevent keylogging I want to be absolutely certain before acquiring it.

[Jack_Bread]

I had heard some talk from notch about mods infected with keyloggers; how well vetted has the industry mod been? It sounds like fun, but w/o the official mod support in to prevent keylogging I want to be absolutely certain before acquiring it.

Mods don't effect(affect?) the launcher. Also IndustrialCraft is well used and no one's complained about their accounts being stolen because of it.

[forsaken1111]

I had heard some talk from notch about mods infected with keyloggers; how well vetted has the industry mod been? It sounds like fun, but w/o the official mod support in to prevent keylogging I want to be absolutely certain before acquiring it.

Mods don't effect(affect?) the launcher. Also IndustrialCraft is well used and no one's complained about their accounts being stolen because of it.

affect

[poca]

I've got a small update for my water mill post. The main thing is that I believe that moving water and source blocks aren't treated differently by water mills. Here are my updated beliefs:

1) they don't benefit from water blocks outside of a 3x3x3 cube,
2) water mills are much less effective if they're sharing water,
3) each well designed water mill should fill 5000 EU (MFE or Tesla Coil) in about 10 minutes,
4) each unshared water block in that volume contributes ~0.3 EU every second, and
5) moving water and source blocks aren't treated differently by water mills.

This sounds like they might be more efficient than solar generators, which not only fluctuate their generation based on time of day (as opposed to flipping fully "on" at daybreak and "off" at sundown), but were straight up nerfed to generate a max of 1 EU/s.

Not as space efficient but each iteration of a solar flower generates 1.5 eu/s max and needs five times the resources of a water mill.

Be careful, Alblaka has tricked you!

EUs = Energy Unit per second (not actually second, but frame, but who cares...)

I'm sorry to say I helped him. 

I kind of suspect that the times I experienced are only valid for other people with a constant framerate of 60 fps but I don't have enough data to have a clear picture of things change. I meant to add that caveat but it seems like I forgot. Adding it now.

[Duke 2.0]

 The more popular mods are generally fine. If the thread has around five pages of replies it should be safe. It's the obscure mods which promise odd things that can get you.

 I'm actually really surprised on how large of a phishing community has sprung up around Minecraft. Keyloggers in mods, people offering 'strategy guides' for at least $20, Minecraft server hosts that cost a whole hell of a lot more than a normal server at those specs and possibly more mod-based ones I can think of but have not heard of yet.

[Niveras]

Executables which purport to handle your complex mod-management duties (for instance one-click management between a high def texture pack and the default for use in multiplayer) may also be suspect. In fact, I'd expect it more from those kinds of utilities than I would from a mod in Minecraft itself, but I don't know much about Minecraft modding. Given that it is all hack work right now it does seem probable that you could write some keylogging process into it. I'd expect people to frequently play Minecraft while doing other duties (maybe their finances, maybe their work on a net-connect machine) so it'd be a fairly good target for keylogging.

[ein]

So, current M404 run is going pretty well.
I've gotten a nice nook with a good magma pool.
Picked up some coal for a few torches than I planted and I now have a farm.
I know where some iron is too, which would be good.
Also, a zombie just fell into some magma.

[forsaken1111]

The more popular mods are generally fine. If the thread has around five pages of replies it should be safe. It's the obscure mods which promise odd things that can get you.

 I'm actually really surprised on how large of a phishing community has sprung up around Minecraft. Keyloggers in mods, people offering 'strategy guides' for at least $20, Minecraft server hosts that cost a whole hell of a lot more than a normal server at those specs and possibly more mod-based ones I can think of but have not heard of yet.

Are you really surprised? This happens all the time.

[Mephansteras]

Do Luminators ever actually produce much light? Mine seem to do little more than a little background light. Not enough to replace a torch, certainly. Do I need to have high voltage going through them to produce a significant amount of light?

[Ochita]

So, I want to get some mods on, and I am mine-craft mod illiterate... So I need to make sure that it doesn't screw up ma game..

[Derekristow]

Do Luminators ever actually produce much light? Mine seem to do little more than a little background light. Not enough to replace a torch, certainly. Do I need to have high voltage going through them to produce a significant amount of light?

I think you need 16-31 power running through them at any one time to get the maximum (equivalent to torch) light level.  32 will melt it though, so be careful about that.

[sluissa]

16-31 is actually slightly brighter than a torch, enough so that it'll set zombies and skeletons on fire. If I'm using it for interior lighting, I'll usually try to keep it on the lowest setting for utility areas, medium for working or "living" areas. Highest is usually reserved for exterior lighting or defense systems.

I'm in the middle of building my first structure that has "mostly" hidden wiring. Somewhat of a watch tower, as it's a bit small on the interior to be anything else, but I'm sparing no expense on the amenities. It is taking a while to build though, as I haven't set up a substantial power plant yet. Everything I've got is running off of 4 solar cells, 3 hydro generators immersed in water and an auxiliary generator powered by coal or occasionally biofuel. The solar and hydro easily take care of my manufacturing needs. But they won't take up the slack if I decide to turn on the lights. I do have 4 MFEs spread through the system though, so it can power itself for a while, but it takes a long time to charge back up as well. If I decide to connect an auto-miner everything gets drained very quickly. However, I'm slowly mining out all the good areas within reasonable reach of my base. Soon, I'll have to figure out some sort of mobile power source, either mobile generators, or just loads of batteries.

Pictures of the work in progress, if anyone is interested for some reason.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Outside of first floor of tower. Outer wall almost finished except for some decorative smoothstone. Bottom block of each window has a luminator behind it. It will burn any zombie or skeleton standing in front of it.

Solar cell group on a pedestal to give some protection from creeper explosions.

Hydro generator group next to bridge to island with nether portal on it.

Interior of first floor of tower. Inner walls will be filled and faired over eventually once wiring is complete.
Last few things to do are probably red stone wiring the doors and deciding upon interior lighting method.
Switch at far end of room controls window lighting.

Workshop area, and oldest part of current base. Situated directly under solar cell group. It's also the main power hub of the base. All power routes through a single MFE. Power from there splits out into the hallway (and under the tower) and into the machinery.

Machinery and the main power cut off to the rest of the base. Consists of a redstone torch with a switch. Torch on = power doesn't flow unless the MFE is full. Torch off = Power flows to the rest of the network.

Upper level of the tower, not started yet, but shows how the wiring will be run "through" the walls.


Could all be designed much better and I could have started bigger, but I'm just making it up as I go.

[Jack_Bread]

No 1.5 this week.

[PTTG??]

Planehacked is planning to start a big project in 1.5. We're thinking of a community city of some sort; it could be an underground-, onground-, or flying-above-the-ground- city.

We'll do this with 1.5 and it'll be for people vetted through the public server. Join up now if you'd like to participate!