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[ein]

I feel left out.
Goddamn macs.

Dude, not only can you play Minecraft on a Mac, but you can mod it also.

[Jay]

I feel left out.
Goddamn macs.

Dude, not only can you play Minecraft on a Mac, but you can mod it also.

Not only does the default texture pack crash (?!) but modding is a massive hassle.
Macs do not like Minecraft at all.

[Greiger]

Probably I should.

And next time, I suppose I'll have to slow down when I reach map limit planes are sooo fast.

I wish I had enough iron to build a plane in my industrialcraft world. using coal to power them seems... wrong. fuel would be better. I would have to build some cobble towers to use when landing/taking off however. I don't want to leave anything outside, in this world... not even a workbench must be left outside the cobble walls.

Well you don't really HAVE to build them on towers.  You can make them on ground level after some clearcutting if you want.  Hell you can even land on grass or dirt just fine as long as it's flat.  I've done it a couple times while scouting for pumpkins and reeds from the air. I just also have nature overhaul which ends up with anything in a temperate biome quickly getting overgrown making it very difficult to land on anything ground level.  And even then a stilt platform maybe 3 or 4 tiles off the ground is enough to make most trees not a major issue.

I just build towers because I was kinda hoping Mo Creatures would be updated. (looking unlikely)  Your IC workshops are a LOT safer in a tower in the air with mo creatures then at ground level or underground where a nearby cave you didn't notice might spawn a cave ogre and destroy EVERYTHING (and then destroy the dropped items from destroyed chests) before you can even switch to your sword.

[The Scout]

Could someone put a list of good mods that work with the latest version.are campatible?

[andrea]

well, placing the air fields on dirt would defeat the point of burrowing myself underground. In fact, if airplanes can survive water, I was thinking about covering the entrance of the hangar with a waterwall. just to stop sunlight from coming inside.

(fun fact: I started this "abandon the aboveground" policy after being attacked by 3-4 creepers every time I exited from my front door. After a few days, I haven't even seen one of them when going out... bah.)

The scout, I suggest Industrialcraft. very good mod ( and soon for multiplayer too!)

[Jopax]

If you have pistons you could make some sort of automatic opening mechanism for your hangar doors

[poca]

Water Mill science numerically literate speculation.

I did a few of trials with a single water mill and I think I can say two very useful things about automated water mills:

1) they don't benefit from water source blocks outside of a 3x3x3 cube,
2) water mills are much less effective if they're sharing water source blocks,
3) each well designed water mill should fill 5000 EU (MFE or Tesla Coil) in about 10 minutes, and
4) each unshared water source block in that volume contributes ~0.3 EU every second.

Read the many details here:

Spoiler: "numerically literate speculation" (click to show/hide)

Method

I'm using IndustrialCraft v5.12 (MC beta 1.4_01).
I cut a 5x5x5 tank out underground.
I put a water mill in the center.
I used 4 wires directly beneath the water mill.
I dug an access shaft beside and under the tank.
I will be placing and removing the MFE from the side of the 4th wire.
F3 didn't report any other frame rate besides 58-60 fps.
I'm not going to use IC's "s" unit so "sec" means an actual second.


5x5x5 - 3

I begin timing as soon as I connect the MFE.
5 minutes (4:59) after placing the MFE read 2020.
I removed the MFE.


3x3x3 - 2

I then built over the tank walls and lowered the top layer of water to give a 3x3x3 cube.
I begin timing as soon as I connect the MFE.
5 minutes (5:02) after placing the MFE read 2108.
I removed the MFE.


3x3x2 - 1

I then built on the tank floor to give a 3x3x2 cube.
5 minutes (5:00) after placing the MFE read 1412.
I removed the MFE.


Errata

I accidentally ran the 3x3x3 trial while the tank was empty and still got 8 EU in the MFE after 5 minutes.


Experimental Data (time, EU, water volume)

t1 = 239 sec
q1 = 2020 EU
v1 = 122 cubic meters

t2 = 302 sec
q2 = 2108 EU
v2 = 25 cubic meters

t3 = 300 sec
q3 = 1412 EU
v3= 17 cubic meters


Calculated EU / sec rates:

r1 = 8.45 EU/sec = 2020 EU / 239 sec
r2 = 6.98 EU/sec = 2108 EU / 302 sec
r3 = 4.71 EU/sec = 1412 EU / 300 sec

Calculated rate density

d1 = 0.070 EU/sec / cu m = 8.45 EU/sec / 122 cu m
d2 = 0.279 EU/sec / cu m = 6.98 EU/sec / 25.0 cu m
d3 = 0.277 EU/sec / cu m = 4.71 EU/sec / 17.0  cu m

Edit: wrote t1, t2 but meant r1, r1; fixed.

The fact that r1 and r2 are almost the same suggests that the same amount of EU is stored for a 5x5x5 water cube as is stored for a 3x3x3 and that supports the hypothesis that only the 3x3x3 cube is contributing the the water mill.

The fact that d2 and d3 are almost the same suggests that each water source block contributes a constant rate of EU. Since we have already established the likelihood that only the 3x3x3 cube is counted, we can find more support for both hypotheses if we recalculate d1* to account for the smaller volume and find that it is also around 0.3 EU/sec / cu m and this calculation shows very nearly just that:

d1* = 0.338 EU/sec / cu m = 8.45 EU/sec / 25.0 cu m.


I don't just have my paltry data. Okamiltan built a 9x5x3 area and scattered 8 water mills. Okamiltan didn't tell us about his wiring but I'm going to assume he has 1 wire under each water mill:

http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3726432#p3726432

t4 = 350 sec
q4 = 10,000 EU
v4 = 119 cubic meters
r4 = 3.57 EU/sec = (10,000 EU / 350 sec) / 8

Firstly, r4 is much lower than r2:

51.1% = r4 / r2.

That alone is enough to suggest that tightly packing water mills diminishes their purpose.

That gave me hope that each water source block can only be used by one water mill and if that were the case then the rate density for Okamiltan's trial should be around 0.3 and but it was more than 200% more:

d4* = 0.706 = (10,000 EU / 350 sec) / 119 cu m

So it is a little more complicated than that. The rate density for each of Okamiltan's individual tightly packed water mills:

d4 = 0.143 EU/sec / cu m = 3.57 EU/sec / 25.0 cu m

So each individual mill gets about half as much EU/sec out of its 3x3x3 cube but the overlapping of these mills means you can actually double the EU/s that you can get out of each block of water but this only makes sense if water source blocks were much more expensive than water mills.


I'm afraid I don't have the time to really work out in more detail what is actually happening in suboptimal patterns so I will just leave that as an open question.

[Jay]

I wish I had enough iron to build a plane in my industrialcraft world. using coal to power them seems... wrong. fuel would be better.

Except that the mods don't interact in that way.
The planes only burn coal.

EDIT: Whoops.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

EDIT2: By the way, pistons were just updated for 1.4_01
EDIT3: Incompatible with MineColony out of the box, but the Pistons props file cleared that right up.
I have all of these mods working together (I've shown this on my stream a few times)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

_{^{Those of you that are clever may notice something of a similarity between the directories... Try it out!}}

[forsaken1111]

Small update on my water power plant, still small but can power my miners well enough. I should be able to get enough iron to make several more levels of it before I need to use HV lines.
at the center of the crosses there are MFEs of course.


by the way, does anyone know a free ID#? I'd like to install plane mod too, but I am not sure where I can move my solar generator ID.

So the water mill blocks generate power from water flowing nearby, not just water source blocks?

[breadbocks]

Hmm... Jay, I have a mission for you. Mod the plane mod to take fuel from IC.

[Jay]

Hmm... Jay, I have a mission for you. Mod the plane mod to take fuel from IC.

I don't mod.  Yell at the planes mod creator, not me

[forsaken1111]

What was the recipe for superfuel again? I looked back but don't see it, I know someone put it here.

In fact is there a list of all the 'secret' crafting recipes anywhere for IC?

[poca]

So I was disappointed at the stuff around within half a km of the origin so I've been wanting to start a new world. I used the seed "IC SCIENCE!" and headed southwest and found this great spot just next to a large body of water:

Spoiler: "IC SCIENCE!" (click to show/hide)

I'm looking for promising caverns at the moment and if I find something that will take me down to the magma sea, then this is probably the perfect world for me.

[breadbocks]

Jay, that is lies and slander. I'm staring at the Jaycraft.rte folder in my Cortex Command and lolling.

[ein]

Cortex Command mods does not a Minecraft modder make.