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[The Scout]

How do I install this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79IhZnXSWbw

[Jay]

How do I install this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79IhZnXSWbw

GLSL shader mod available from the forums :
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=128043

The shader :
http://pastebin.com/WbVNtMg7 - Save as base.vsh in *unzipped folder*\mods\shaders\contents\files\shaders then run the installer

[Duke 2.0]

Bio-fuel's probably the easiest way to get quick energy, once you get a little established anyway. Bamboo farm and it's almost entirely renewable.

Don't you have to throw away 5 tin every time you use bio-fuel? I've made tons of plantclumps from excess saplings but I don't want to waste the tin actually get energy from it. I would love to know if there is a way to use it without throwing away precious tin.

You can use one compressed plant clump with two compressed coal clumps to make normal fuel, saving a third of the coal cost. This is another secret recipe.

 I understand having them and I'm cool with them, as well as not allowing them in the thread. But his not wanting them on the wiki is where it gets stupid. And his threat of not having them at all is even stupider.

[Niveras]

Bio-fuel's probably the easiest way to get quick energy, once you get a little established anyway. Bamboo farm and it's almost entirely renewable.

Don't you have to throw away 5 tin every time you use bio-fuel? I've made tons of plantclumps from excess saplings but I don't want to waste the tin actually get energy from it. I would love to know if there is a way to use it without throwing away precious tin.

But tin is ridiculously common and has virtually no other use. It makes buckets, batteries, bronze, and alloy. You need more copper than tin to make bronze. You don't really need limitless numbers of buckets or batteries. You can use any metal to make alloy. About the only thing that'll really eat into your tin stores is if you use the secret recipe to make iron from copper/tin dust. You can surely spare tin for some fuel, but really you only need that if you don't have some kind of renewable power source.

[Duke 2.0]

 Renewable power sources that don't require an hour of being AFK need an obscene amount of iron. Until you get that massive solar farm or hydro tower completed you'll want some normal generator fuel to keep things going.

 I do wonder how much power actual fuel gives over coal. I could cook logs to make endless coal fuel(Which would eat into my already pain in the ass tree harvesting for rubber problems), or go through the process of making actual fuel(Factoring in the cost of running the compressor three times and the extractor once) for my generators.

[poca]

Urg... Learning how to industrial craft...
I can't really find anything that is important..

I would suggest your first efforts should focus on building and powering a macerator and extractor. The macerator effectively doubles the number of metal ingots you can smelt from a single block of metal ore. The extractor helps drastically reduce the the disturbingly obscene number of trees you need for the rubber in your wire; it improves the situation from disturbingly obscene to just obscene. 

Your best bet for power when starting out is probably just to build a generator and a battery because you can burn stuff like wood and coal to fill a battery and all the more interesting options will require a generator to make anyway.

The best references online are of debatable quality but they are also all there is:

IC "hayo" OP
http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1032&t=199635

Minecraft wiki
http://www.minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Mods/IndustrialCraft

[0x517A5D]

This is another secret recipe.

 I understand having them and I'm cool with them, as well as not allowing them in the thread. But his not wanting them on the wiki is where it gets stupid. And his threat of not having them at all is even stupider.

… Sometimes you need to pull out the nuclear threat.  Even if you don't really intend to use it.

The secret recipes are intended to be Easter eggs.  It is within the mod creator's prerogatives to insist that deliberate secrets remain, y'know, secret.

Anyone who really wants to find them all can just install the Recipe Book mod.  (Everyone should be aware of it, it's on the Modloader thread OP which you have to read to get IC running.)  If they can't manage that, they can ask for spoilers via PM.

There are utter idiots in the IC thread.  And people deliberately trolling, pretending to be idiots.

Sometimes you need a big stick to get the point across.


Edit:

I do wonder how much power actual fuel gives over coal. I could cook logs to make endless coal fuel(Which would eat into my already pain in the ass tree harvesting for rubber problems), or go through the process of making actual fuel(Factoring in the cost of running the compressor three times and the extractor once) for my generators.

By my math, there is a net gain of 233% per fuel can, with non-EU losses of 3 coal (important resource) and 5 tin (not important resource in the long run, but important when getting started).

Assuming the all-coal recipe:

• 2.5 * 153 EU to mine 2.5 tin ore with a mining drill.
  
  • (Assuming 10,000 EU = 65 blocks, needs to be verified.)
• 2.5 * 625 EU to macerate 2.5 tin ore into 5 tin dust.
• 5 * 313 EU to electric-furnace 5 tin dust into 5 tin ore.
• 3 * 153 EU to mine 3 coal with a drill.
• 3 * 625 EU to macerate 3 coal into 3 coal dust.
• 3 * 625 EU to compress 3 hydrated coal dust into 3 compressed hydrated coal dust.
• 1 * 313 EU to convert (extract) the clumpy fuel can to a usable fuel can.

For a total of 8032 EU.

3 coal gives 3 * 4000 EU = 12,000 EU in a generator.
1 fuel can gives 48,000 EU in a generator.

48,000 EU (resulting energy content) - 8032 EU (processing cost) - 12,000 EU (original energy content) = 27,968 EU (net gain in energy content).

27,968 / 12,000 * 100% = 233%.

I'd stick to charcoal, even before I get a chainsaw running.

[poca]

Bio-fuel's probably the easiest way to get quick energy, once you get a little established anyway. Bamboo farm and it's almost entirely renewable.

Don't you have to throw away 5 tin every time you use bio-fuel? I've made tons of plantclumps from excess saplings but I don't want to waste the tin actually get energy from it. I would love to know if there is a way to use it without throwing away precious tin.

But tin is ridiculously common and has virtually no other use. It makes buckets, batteries, bronze, and alloy. You need more copper than tin to make bronze. You don't really need limitless numbers of buckets or batteries. You can use any metal to make alloy. About the only thing that'll really eat into your tin stores is if you use the secret recipe to make iron from copper/tin dust. You can surely spare tin for some fuel, but really you only need that if you don't have some kind of renewable power source.

Thanks for the reply. My intuition tells me that tin is the least frequently occurring of the metal ores: iron, copper and tin. My intuition is supported (but not proven) by the stockpile I have in my first IC world and the stockpile I reported on my new IC world in this post:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=35804.msg2196291#msg2196291

I think you may be right that despite its rarity it isn't consumed nearly as much as iron and copper because in my first IC world, after building almost all the machines and devices, I have about 3 stacks of copper and tin but only one stack of iron and bronze. 

Despite the fact that I might have some to spare, I tend to build in the same area for a long time. I smelt tons of smooth stone and have run out of coal before and started using charcoal. However much you have left over, it will eventually run out unless you move on to another area. Using tin makes perfect sense if you're going to move on before you have depleted it and so it sounds like it works for you.

Still You should really try the joy of seeing a long and glowering well fed HV line! It isn't better than magma but it is surprisingly close.

[Duke 2.0]

There are utter idiots in the IC thread.  And people deliberately trolling, pretending to be idiots.

Sometimes you need a big stick to get the point across.

If he doesn't actually intend to pull the recipes for this then alright, sure I see where you are going with this. There isn't anyway to be sure of it though.

And that's the Minecraft Forums in general there.

I'd stick to charcoal, even before I get a chainsaw running.

Thanks for the calculations dude. I would probably factor out the mining drill cost as I have not really used it after the bat-pack issues, but even then slightly more than doubling my coal output isn't terribly worth it. Coal isn't even terribly valuable to me as I'm not interested in mass solar arrays and the carbon stuff seems beyond me. You could use one plant clump to offset one of the coal clumps, but it wouldn't really save on the energy.
 
 And remember that our constant generator alternative is charcoal, which requires subtracting 313 EU from the usual coal output. That would increase the efficiency of using a fuel by only a few percent though, not enough to really justify it any more. If the tin container for the fuel was given back I may consider it, but right now that is a strange amount of tin to use.

[forsaken1111]

My calculations indicate that fuel created with one plant clump and 2 coal is nearly twice as efficient as using 3 coal.

* 2.5 * 153 EU to mine 2.5 tin ore with a mining drill. - 382.5 EU
* 2.5 * 625 EU to macerate 2.5 tin ore into 5 tin dust. - 1562.5 EU
* 5 * 313 EU to electric-furnace 5 tin dust into 5 tin ore. - 1565 EU
* 2 * 153 EU to mine 3 coal with a drill. - 306 EU
* 2 * 625 EU to macerate 3 coal into 3 coal dust. - 1250 EU
* 3 * 625 EU to compress 2 hydrated coal dust + 1 plant clump into 2 compressed hydrated coal dust + 1 compressed plant clump. - 1875 EU
* 1 * 313 EU to convert (extract) the clumpy fuel can to a usable fuel can. - 313 EU

Total = 7254

48000 - 7254 - 8000 = 32746

32746 / 8000 * 100 = 409%

(Used 8000 as the energy content of the coal, plantclumps give no energy by themselves as far as I'm aware.)

[Mephansteras]

You can make pure plant fuel. It's not as high energy, but it can be done easily enough.

[forsaken1111]

You can make pure plant fuel. It's not as high energy, but it can be done easily enough.

Yes, but the plant/coal fuel is much more time efficient in my opinion.

[Xelanthol]

You all talking about the Industrial Craft Mod here? Olala. I remember using normal generators back in my day.

Also, don't try to use water wheels efficiently.

[andrea]

what is wrong in making efficient generators? do they explode?

[electronics]

I'm guessing minecraft will have a severe drop in players around now with Portal 2 being out.