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[Vactor]

that sounds like a good idea, is there any way to raise water up?  If i build a cistern in the ocean and fill the bottom with blocks will it raise the water inside? also is a  single block of water an infinite source?

[PTTG??]

that sounds like a good idea, is there any way to raise water up?  If i build a cistern in the ocean and fill the bottom with blocks will it raise the water inside? also is a  single block of water an infinite source?

Buckets should work, and yes.

[Thexor]

that sounds like a good idea, is there any way to raise water up?  If i build a cistern in the ocean and fill the bottom with blocks will it raise the water inside? also is a  single block of water an infinite source?

M'kay. A single block of water is non-infinite - scoop it up in a bucket, and it's gone. The 'infinite' sources consist of tiles with two adjacent water sources - any empty tile with two adjacent sources will generate a new source tile. Hence, the most common setup is a 2x2 square (fill in each corner, the other two corners spawn automatically) - any tile you take has two more adjacent to it, and will fill up.


You could thus generate a 'column' of water as follows: for each layer, place water source tiles at opposite corners:

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_W
The two remaining tiles fill automatically. Then, refill your bucket(s) from the layer you just placed, and use them to place the next layer!


Sadly, you can't 'fill up' a cistern to raise the water level. Remember, water in Minecraft consists of source tiles and flows. Source tiles are fixed in place, unless you move them with a bucket; building dirt in water deletes the water tile, instead of the more-logical action of moving it upwards. (Deleting water is useful if you go crazy with infinite sources and wind up with a problem, though!)

[alway]

Yeah, get to know the fluid physics before attempting or you may end up a bit wetter than you had hoped. Although in general, these water physics are extremely forgiving.

Edit: Oh wow, Cartographer is handy. By taking a caves map image and overlaying a diamond only image on top of it in paint, I now have an image which shows me the exact horizonal coordinates of all diamond locations on my map.

And by using it to ensure they overlayed properly, I managed to find one of them exactly where it said it would be. Yay easy diamond access!

[Bluerobin]

Haha... "express elevator" is essentially "a really long hole with water at the bottom so you don't take damage when you fall" from the sounds of it.

Boat + water = up.

Ah, I think I misread it initially and forgot about the boat thing as well. I thought the initial thought was an empty hole with water at the bottom, rather than a column of water.

[Vattic]

I have a boat lift on the Planehacked sever in my mine. It's very fast but does cause some weird problems when the server is lagging.

[Vactor]

while we're talking about water physics, from what i understand this should work as well, to allow multiple level accesses to the lift:

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   SWWS
    WWS
    WWS
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   SWW
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anyone confirm or deny?  Otherwise i'll be doing some experimenting.

[Mephisto]

M'kay. A single block of water is non-infinite - scoop it up in a bucket, and it's gone. The 'infinite' sources consist of tiles with two adjacent water sources - any empty tile with two adjacent sources will generate a new source tile. Hence, the most common setup is a 2x2 square (fill in each corner, the other two corners spawn automatically) - any tile you take has two more adjacent to it, and will fill up.


You could thus generate a 'column' of water as follows: for each layer, place water source tiles at opposite corners:

Code: [Select]

W_
_W
The two remaining tiles fill automatically. Then, refill your bucket(s) from the layer you just placed, and use them to place the next layer!

If you're filling from the bottom up, it doesn't work. Water also needs solid ground under an empty tile to spawn a source block there.

[Thexor]

M'kay. A single block of water is non-infinite - scoop it up in a bucket, and it's gone. The 'infinite' sources consist of tiles with two adjacent water sources - any empty tile with two adjacent sources will generate a new source tile. Hence, the most common setup is a 2x2 square (fill in each corner, the other two corners spawn automatically) - any tile you take has two more adjacent to it, and will fill up.


You could thus generate a 'column' of water as follows: for each layer, place water source tiles at opposite corners:

Code: [Select]

W_
_W
The two remaining tiles fill automatically. Then, refill your bucket(s) from the layer you just placed, and use them to place the next layer!

If you're filling from the bottom up, it doesn't work. Water also needs solid ground under an empty tile to spawn a source block there.

Really? If I take a tile out of the ocean, it seems to refill happily...

...drat. Guess it's time to re-study water physics. 

[Mephisto]

Really? If I take a tile out of the ocean, it seems to refill happily...

...drat. Guess it's time to re-study water physics. 

I suppose I could be wrong - it's happened before. Perhaps there was an update between the free weekend and now that changed how water works.

I have firsthand experience with this, trying to drain three levels of water. If I remove a block from one of the upper levels and there's no solid block under it, it never turns back into a source block.

[Jay]

EDIT: Site is moved.

[Tylui]

I was just going to offer to run the server for you, Jay, but my internet suxxorz and the computer I was going to run it on is just as terrible... I'm glad you got something figured out though!

[Jay]

I was just going to offer to run the server for you, Jay, but my internet suxxorz and the computer I was going to run it on is just as terrible... I'm glad you got something figured out though!

Mmf, not quite figured out the actual server yet.
Kael's solution is still a few months out.
Probably just going to wait for that, unless somebody else has a better idea.
The website can now be reached at http://dwarfed.co.cc/jaycraft

[lordnincompoop]

Damn. Your server's up on all the wrong times, Jay! It's ten here, and you make me want to play Minecrack.

[ToonyMan]

Two of my friends at school have started playing this game, pretty awesome to talk about it to someone.