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[beorn080]

Listen, that guy may have been an admin on other servers, but this is Bay station 12. We are using an older main branch of the SVN instead of the goon version. We might not have the same tools as goon station admins. In fact, I know we can't gib players, and I think there is a few other things they can do easily.

[woose1]

Don't we have gibs in the code? I know that the sprites or effects aren't done for them yet.

[Dr. Johbson]

Well, just checking in today, since I thought I might as well again.

Ok.. First. Inverted, I'd be glad to have another admin on the server, but I'd have to get to know you a bit more first, you know? Just drop by the server sometime (When its up) and we can see where that gets us.

Second, regarding banning. The guidelines of banning have drastically changed since the unbanning. And, with stolen ideas from Soweul, ( Thanks!) I think it would be better, that before we *DO* ban someone, we check in with another admin first, doesn't matter who, just quickly brief someone else and see if he has any different thoughts.

Anyway, besides that, these are my ideas-

First, we don't ban lightly anymore. First, we talk to the offender, and tell him about what he was doing. If he continues with said offending act, you may now toy with him as you please. Don't forget to mute him. Then, you can either; A, ban him, if his actions were unforgivable, or, B, release him back into the normal server with a severe warning, if the actions can be forgiven.

I don't want to see any quick bans anymore, except for the following examples-

1. Hacking, obviously, insta-ban, but make sure he IS hacking, and just isn't telekinetic. I will also add a rule that if you DO have superpowers, use adminhelp to announce it, so we know ahead of time.

2. Multikeying- First, ask them both, and see if they talk. Some will, some won't. However, because we don't have any proof their just friends, or family, just watch them, or watch one and ask another admin to watch another. If they are indeed multikeying, ban them both away, or toy with them first, if you want. 

3. Excessive Rudeness- This one, at least, is easy to prove. If they are simply trolling, and the warning you gave them didn't help, feel free to ban them.

Thats all I can think of for now, but, I'm sure I forgot one, or something.

[Poltifar]

I'd like to add to the insta ban crimes:
Detonating bombs when not traitor, or any other super-grief stuff, like breaking plasma canisters, killing in arrival shuttle etc...

If you dont allow me to insta-ban for these offenses, please just remove my adminship now.

Whoah, Phobos is gone? Sweet! No more "Grr I oppose everything you do whether it's good or bad because I don't like you Grr".

I don't think it's the case of opposing everything you do, given the fact you managed to piss off almost every other admin.

Seriously Woose. I tried to ban you, but it didn't allow me to ban admins.

I agree. Even the PLAYERS were complaining about how your stupid pathetic santa-clause-wizard acts were inappropriate to serious rounds. I mean, doing a santa-clause act once in a blue moon or on christmas eve is acceptable, or in non-serious rounds, but doing it OVER AND OVER AND OVER, well, lets just say NO.

But seriously, I think I'm getting the hang of the controls now, after bludgeoning the guy I was trying to CPR to death. It appears he was the Traitor, though, so I guess it all works out.

Things like this remind me why I love this game

[Jackrabbit]

This has got to be the most bizzare thing I have ever read

Meteor

In Meteor, the station is threatened by a meteor shower. The objective is to do your best to repair and maintain the station, and eventually escape.

PROTIP: THE METEORS CANNOT SEE YOU IF YOU LIE DOWN.

This has tipped the scales. I want in, itchy trigger finger banning be damned.

[Sowelu]

I'd like to add to the insta ban crimes:
Detonating bombs when not traitor, or any other super-grief stuff, like breaking plasma canisters, killing in arrival shuttle etc...

If you dont allow me to insta-ban for these offenses, please just remove my adminship now.

Uh...I think you missed the point of the "don't insta-ban anyone" thing.  You don't insta ban for stuff that's not hacking.  Hacking counts because even if you maze a theoretical hacker, they could theoretically still cause harm.  If anything, you teleport everyone else to the prison station or maze them.  Some newbies are freaking dumbasses.  Let me go point by point.

- Detonating when not traitor.  Sometimes people have a good RP reason to end up working with the traitor.  Rare but it happens.  They SHOULD adminhelp that, but sometimes they don't.  Also:  Toxins IS SUPPOSED TO launch bombs into the bomb..testing..place.  How do you as an admin know who set off a bomb?  By clicking the button that says "Who set off a bomb?"  THE ONE THAT SAYS DON'T TRUST IT?  Way too easy to get confused for an insta-ban.  Sure, judgment is one thing, but an insta-ban the first time a single admin sees it without even bouncing it off someone else?  NO.
- Breaking plasma canisters.  Why the hell would this be an insta-ban offense?  I REALLY don't see the logic here.  Newbies could do this accidentally--or even with just a minimal understanding of what will happen--and, well, oops they died.  It's a dangerous world.  The danger comes from the world, not from the freaking admins.
- Killing in arrival shuttle.  Maze the bastard, move him to the prison station, then if he so much as touches someone on the arrival shuttle next time, respawn the victims and ban.  But dude...an instant-ban offense?  I'm really not liking this.  What if the traitor bashes some guy and then runs and hides in the arrival shuttle?

Look, I know you don't think that's likely, but the rules are there for a reason.  If some admin starts saying "Okay, anyone attacks anyone in the arrival shuttle = ban", then you just KNOW that some admin is going to log on and witness a fight going on right in the shuttle and nuke the offending parties immediately.  Yeah.  No.

What the hell is wrong with teleporting to the prison station first and giving it a couple minutes at least, in ALL those cases?  Answer me that.

[Micro102]

I'd like to add to the insta ban crimes:
Detonating bombs when not traitor, or any other super-grief stuff, like breaking plasma canisters, killing in arrival shuttle etc...

If you dont allow me to insta-ban for these offenses, please just remove my adminship now.

Uh...I think you missed the point of the "don't insta-ban anyone" thing.  You don't insta ban for stuff that's not hacking.  Hacking counts because even if you maze a theoretical hacker, they could theoretically still cause harm.  If anything, you teleport everyone else to the prison station or maze them.  Some newbies are freaking dumbasses.  Let me go point by point.

- Detonating when not traitor.  Sometimes people have a good RP reason to end up working with the traitor.  Rare but it happens.  They SHOULD adminhelp that, but sometimes they don't.  Also:  Toxins IS SUPPOSED TO launch bombs into the bomb..testing..place.  How do you as an admin know who set off a bomb?  By clicking the button that says "Who set off a bomb?"  THE ONE THAT SAYS DON'T TRUST IT?  Way too easy to get confused for an insta-ban.  Sure, judgment is one thing, but an insta-ban the first time a single admin sees it without even bouncing it off someone else?  NO.
- Breaking plasma canisters.  Why the hell would this be an insta-ban offense?  I REALLY don't see the logic here.  Newbies could do this accidentally--or even with just a minimal understanding of what will happen--and, well, oops they died.  It's a dangerous world.  The danger comes from the world, not from the freaking admins.
- Killing in arrival shuttle.  Maze the bastard, move him to the prison station, then if he so much as touches someone on the arrival shuttle next time, respawn the victims and ban.  But dude...an instant-ban offense?  I'm really not liking this.  What if the traitor bashes some guy and then runs and hides in the arrival shuttle?

Look, I know you don't think that's likely, but the rules are there for a reason.  If some admin starts saying "Okay, anyone attacks anyone in the arrival shuttle = ban", then you just KNOW that some admin is going to log on and witness a fight going on right in the shuttle and nuke the offending parties immediately.  Yeah.  No.

What the hell is wrong with teleporting to the prison station first and giving it a couple minutes at least, in ALL those cases?  Answer me that.

agreed, i'd give the worse greifer i coul find a few chances until i knew for sure we wouldnt stop.

[Dr. Johbson]

*Stuff*

If thats really what you think, then Poltifar, then I can remove it when I get home, although I hope you change your mind.

[Jackrabbit]

I'm having an interesting first round. Who's blaze?

[Jackrabbit]

Alrighty then. I think I have a general idea of what to do. Now, a few questions.

1) What server do you guys play on?
2) How do you see servers in the first place?
3) How do I access it?

I have almost zero experience with online games, you understand.

[Poltifar]

Seriously Sowelu. I'll tell you what I mean by every point:

--Bombs: I dont mind people detonating bombs in general. I dont mind them detonating in the test chamber. But here's something that happened last week on the server: Some guy made a 1000 degrees bomb, announced on radio that he has a bomb and will blow it up, admin teleports to him to see whats happening, he blows it up AND A GOOD CHUNCK OF THE STATION EXPLODES, COMPLETELY DEPRESSURIZING THE REST OF THE STATION.

He wasnt the traitor, and we know he wasnt helping the traitor. He willingly ruined a perfect round fer everyone for no reason. Isnt that a insta-ban offense? If not, remove my adminship please.

--Breaking one plasma canister isnt a problem. Breaking two, three, four isnt either. But what about when someone breaks ALL THE CANISTERS IN ATMOS AND TOXINS, OPENS THE DOORS, AND STARTS A HUGE FIRE IN THE SHUTTLE ESCAPE HALL? That didnt happen once, but MANY TIME, OFTEN IN THE SAME ROUND.

Maybe that's not a bannable offense in your books, so I'm willing to debate this one.

--Spawn killing isnt too much of a problem if it happens just once. We just revive the killed guy instantly. But what if the guy kills 2-3 people and hides them in closets and denies killing them?

I admit this one isnt too much of a insta-ban offense, so I'll lay it off.


So, ok, I reconsider all these insta-bans EXCEPT TE UBER STUPID NO REASON BOMB ONE. If you think that what I described happened isnt insta-ban material, then dont even bother removing my adminship. I wont even be comming onto the server anymore, since you probably will be letting all the griefers run loose only telling them "Aww, bad boy, dont do it again" every time they blow half the station up.


Other than that, I'll promise I wont ban anyone without the approval of another admin, but I demand to have my right to insta-maze anyone instead.

[Jackrabbit]

What is this 'maze' you speak of? It sounds dreadful.

[Broose]

Seriously Sowelu. I'll tell you what I mean by every point:

--Bombs: I dont mind people detonating bombs in general. I dont mind them detonating in the test chamber. But here's something that happened last week on the server: Some guy made a 1000 degrees bomb, announced on radio that he has a bomb and will blow it up, admin teleports to him to see whats happening, he blows it up AND A GOOD CHUNCK OF THE STATION EXPLODES, COMPLETELY DEPRESSURIZING THE REST OF THE STATION.

He wasnt the traitor, and we know he wasnt helping the traitor. He willingly ruined a perfect round fer everyone for no reason. Isnt that a insta-ban offense? If not, remove my adminship please.

I think the problem here is a misunderstanding of the term "insta-ban". Poltifar seems to think if you are not "insta-banning" you are letting someone have another chance. Sowelu seems to think "insta-banning" means to ban automatically. When you guys banned the person with the bomb, you were not insta-banning, because you took the time to get the information. (that he was not the traitor, and that he was not helping the traitor) The way I interpret the word is quickly banning at the first sight of griefing, without taking the time to get evidence or hear other stories.

So:

Banning automatically, without giving much of a thought or hearing other stories: Bad

Banning without giving a second chance for major offenses: Good.

I think we can all agree on this.

[Micro102]

i wouldnt say for major offenses either, as i have heard of people stuffing bombs into a backpack on an unconsious guy which could lead to some serious misunderstandings.

[chaoticag]

What is this 'maze' you speak of? It sounds dreadful.

A place to put horrible people.

Also, to play on our servers you first need to go to byond.com and download their program. Sign up and do a search for SS13. When we host a server, it is usually public so click on the play now button and scroll untill you find the baystation 12 server. You can also add Johbson to your friends and you will be informed when he is hosting.