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[Strife26]

Good: The Salvation War: Armageddon (online, pure epic win)

Hmmm. Is that the one at stardestroyer.net where hells tridents <  155mm big bore artillery?

Yep. Pure awesome. Heaven is the next target.

[Oksbad]

Good: The Salvation War: Armageddon (online, pure epic win)

Hmmm. Is that the one at stardestroyer.net where hells tridents <  155mm big bore artillery?

Yep. Pure awesome. Heaven is the next target.

I really loved that story. I know that some say it was one sided, but quite frankly I found it more refreshing than most fiction when the bad guys mow down the good guy forces and are only stopped by a few heroes. Can't wait for the next one, and I will definitely buy a hard copy when/if it comes out

Due to said story, I left reading the aforementioned Berci Kristin Çöp Masalları to the last possible moment. I had to write a literary criticism of it. Wish I could write a literary criticism of The Salvation war. 

[rickvoid]

Your goddamn teacher thought that Brave New World was a good place!? I don't think that's because she was left wing, I think at that point it's outright stupidity. The AP English teacher at my high school is a real piece of work in that regard; it pains me to know that more exist.

The idea is not stupid, it is a world without poverty, crime and war and everyone is happy. If you compare it to our current world where thousands of people die every day because of malnutrition and war it is a paradise.

"Happy?" If drugged out of your mind, rutting like animals is happiness. No art, no meaningful emotion. The entire world consists of opium and shitty porn plots involving pizza delivery men.

Knock yourself out.

Doesn't sound too bad, provided I'm too drugged to care.

And here-in lies the biggest problem.

Freedom is hard. If you want it, it can't just be given to you, you've got to work to earn it. Then you've got to work to keep it, because somebody always wants to have an advantage over somebody else. So you've got to keep yourself informed, talk with other people, defend your own principles. You've got to go out and vote, and make sure that your candidates aren't too Authoritative at the same time as upholding the Law of the Land, and knowing what the hell they're doing.

It's a hell of a lot easier to just sit on your ass, watch the government-approved news shows, eat the free government cheese, and smoke the government-approved dope, while somebody else tells you where you can work, how much you can make, what you're going to do on saturday, and how old you can live to be before being too great of a strain on the nation, and get shipped off the the Soylent Green Factory Happy Valley Retirement Community. Sorry, no visitors allowed.

Sure, everybody has all their needs met. Sure, nobody is hungry, or poor, or not doing as well as somebody else.
But are they really happy? Are they really alive? So they have any drive, any passion? Do they even know what these things are?

No.
I say no.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Regardless of the author's politics or philosophy, you can still enjoy a book.

Sheesh. My original post in this thread was about how I loved radically conservative Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game" (as a left -socially- leaning libertarian) but subsequently thought Xenocide and his later works were preachy trash.

So regardless of whether or not you think Huxley loved the utopia/dystopia presented in Brave New World, it gets people to THINK about the balance between happiness and free will along with social control/engineering in our society, and that makes it a good book for me.

And yes, while I don't utterly hate Ayn Rand or her writing, I think a lot of her raving fanbase are pricks.

[Antioch]

http://www.worldometers.info/

[Okenido]

http://www.worldometers.info/

I hate that website.

Especially the environment section.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

i just looked at worldometers.........i couldnt stop laughing.  whatta joke.

also, brave new world is terrifying.
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On 21 October 1949, Huxley wrote to George Orwell, author of Nineteen Eighty-Four, congratulating Orwell on "how fine and how profoundly important the book is." In his letter to Orwell, he predicted that "Within the next generation I believe that the world's leaders will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience."

The Communist Revolution in Russia.  The elites in charge of the revolution CONVINCED the people they wanted to be poor, without hope of advancement and enslaved and to be proud of it.  The greatest lie told by Communists is thats its for the people.  The people of Russia suffered for generations and the elites there are about to start it all over again.  Communism, keeping the powerful powerful and the poor poor.  Huxley was an idiot who didnt realize it was allready here.