18:59:07< G-Flex> playing LCS some more
18:59:10< G-Flex> presidential election in effect!
18:59:16< G-Flex> sweet, the liberal won!
18:59:31< LiteralKa> G-Flex: Report any bugs/request features. :)
18:59:35< G-Flex> senate change: C+: -1 C: -3 m: -3 L: +2 L+: +5
18:59:49< LiteralKa> oh wow
18:59:51< G-Flex> LiteralKa: My main annoyance right now is how irritating it is to move stuff between safehouses
18:59:51< LiteralKa> not much change
19:00:05< LiteralKa> G-Flex: Jon's tweaking the system ATM
19:00:08< G-Flex> I have to go to the screen and do the QWERTY dance
19:00:11< G-Flex> yeah, I figured it might be a placeholder
19:00:29< G-Flex> and I still would like individual assignments to stick even after squad actions
19:00:59< G-Flex> in other words, if all my squad members are set to Hacking, I'd like them to continue doing that even after I move them to another safehouse or perform another squad action. I don't see why those assignments have to get ditched
19:01:14< G-Flex> House change: C+: -1 C: -30 m: -21 L: +9 L+: +43
19:01:19< G-Flex> nice
19:01:38< G-Flex> hahaha, six liberal propositions and all but one passed.
19:02:05< G-Flex> unfortunately, the VP, Secretary of State, and Attorney General are all moderates.
19:02:24< G-Flex> the house is still fairly conservative, and the senate is a *little* conservative
19:03:20< G-Flex> LiteralKa: Do you see what I mean about liberal assignments, though?
19:03:21< LiteralKa> house change was huge
19:03:26< LiteralKa> uh
19:03:31< LiteralKa> yeah, I think so
19:03:40< G-Flex> it just gets annoying every time I move safehouses or send a squad to sell shit, and then have to tell all the individual members what to do again
19:03:48< G-Flex> they should keep their individual assignments and just ignore them if they're going with the squad
19:04:09< LiteralKa> oh yeah
19:04:39< G-Flex> whoa
19:04:49< G-Flex> LiteralKa, I think I just saw a bug
19:05:00< G-Flex> I had a sleeper set to "Snooping Around"
19:05:16< G-Flex> and one of my actions outed him, so he became a regular LCS member
19:05:33< LiteralKa> G-Flex: You're Using 3.19.4 right?
19:05:35< G-Flex> and he's still set to "snooping around", somehow
19:05:39< LiteralKa> oh yeah
19:05:39< G-Flex> yes
19:05:42< LiteralKa> I noticed that
19:05:51< G-Flex> I forgot he was even a member, honestly. I might just martyr him.
19:05:51< LiteralKa> Forgot to report. :|
19:05:56< LiteralKa> LOL
19:06:01< G-Flex> also, I can't figure out how teaching works, but that might not involve any bugs :P
19:06:13< LiteralKa> Explain
19:06:16< G-Flex> specifically, what caps the level of skill a liberal can teach another liberal
19:07:02< LiteralKa> uh
19:07:05< LiteralKa> I'll check
19:07:16< G-Flex> also LiteralKa, there are some old issues:
19:07:30< G-Flex> - a quadrapelegic can do things like tailoring and probably almost anything else
19:07:37< G-Flex> - you can drive cars despite not having eyes
19:08:07< LiteralKa> G-Flex: You can also hack w/o eyes or nose
19:08:14< LiteralKa> screen readers ftw
19:08:34< LiteralKa> G-Flex: I think I'll add a penalty for blind driving
19:09:03< Flame> are you johnathan fox?
19:09:16< G-Flex> hacking without eyes at least makes sense
19:09:21< G-Flex> weaving clothing without use of your limbs does not
19:09:42< G-Flex> and yeah, blind driving is.. yeah
19:09:47< G-Flex> Heph: Yes, but you can't move them
19:09:57< LiteralKa> lol
19:10:10< LiteralKa> 19:09:03 < Flame> are you johnathan fox?
19:10:12< LiteralKa> who?
19:10:19< Flame> you
19:10:29< LiteralKa> lol, no
19:10:34< Kardos> lol
19:10:47< Markavian> no
19:10:48< LiteralKa> I have Subversion access, though
19:12:35< G-Flex> also, LiteralKa, this isn't much of a *problem*, per se
19:12:41< G-Flex> but weapon balance seems weird, if the wiki is correct
19:12:49< LiteralKa> Elaborate
19:12:50< G-Flex> like, a maul costs the same as a sword but is fundamentally worse
19:12:55< LiteralKa> oh
19:12:57< LiteralKa> that
19:13:04< G-Flex> whereas the axe and swords are exactly the same
19:13:22< LiteralKa> lol
19:13:26< LiteralKa> Changing
19:13:29< G-Flex> oh, and a baseball bat does the same damage as a maul
19:13:38< LiteralKa> hmm
19:13:43< LiteralKa> I'll add some benefits
19:13:51< LiteralKa> bash, etc
19:13:58< G-Flex> what benefits could be added, though? the only factors to weapons seem to be accuracy and damage
19:14:12< G-Flex> well, and multiple hits
19:14:30< G-Flex> oh! I may have found another bug
19:14:38< G-Flex> a number in parentheses, for a weapon, means ammo, right?
19:14:41< G-Flex> because I have a "Chain (6)"
19:16:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:16:23< G-Flex> actually, I have two of them
19:16:28< G-Flex> "Chain (6) x2"
19:16:58< LiteralKa> lol
19:17:51< LiteralKa> G-Flex: do you need to reload?
19:18:05< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I haven't tried using it.
19:18:18< LiteralKa> Well, it would help to find where the bug would be
19:18:23< G-Flex> chain's placement as a "club" is kind of odd
19:18:24< LiteralKa> G-Flex: use the martyr!!
19:18:44< G-Flex> LiteralKa: good thinking
19:19:33< Hollywars> G-Flex you hit people with it
19:19:57< G-Flex> it isn't letting me *give* him ammo, at least
19:20:00< LiteralKa> Hollywars: duh
19:20:00< G-Flex> let's see if it depletes any
19:20:03< LiteralKa> interesting
19:20:10< LiteralKa> might just be a display bug
19:20:12< G-Flex> "You can't carry ammo without a gun!"
19:20:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:21:13< G-Flex> LiteralKa: Ammo doesn't seem to be used
19:21:18< LiteralKa> interesting
19:21:26< G-Flex> if it's a display bug, I'd have to wonder why it's displaying that particular value
19:23:08< G-Flex> oh, LiteralKa, another question.
19:23:18< G-Flex> does "Dodge" skill affect the whole squad the way "Tactics" did?
19:23:22< LiteralKa> Uh
19:23:24< G-Flex> or does it only affect the one character now?
19:23:26< LiteralKa> Maybe
19:23:30< LiteralKa> I'll check
19:23:42< G-Flex> I imagine if he bothered changing the name, he probably made it less broken in the process
19:23:48< G-Flex> plus it doesn't make much sense for the new skill to affect other people
19:24:20< LiteralKa> t.train(SKILL_DODGE,5);
19:24:23< LiteralKa> and t would be
19:24:26< LiteralKa> let's see
19:24:54< LiteralKa> well
19:24:57< LiteralKa> I don't know
19:24:58< LiteralKa> droll+=LCSrandom(maxtactics/2+t.skill[SKILL_DODGE]+1);
19:25:06< LiteralKa> still mentions tactics
19:25:09< G-Flex> yeah, that's what it was before
19:25:18< G-Flex> but how is maxtactics determined now? has that changed? :P
19:25:40< LiteralKa> Creature &t
19:25:41< G-Flex> it's pretty obvious what it's supposed to be
19:25:43< LiteralKa> t = target
19:25:54< LiteralKa> so I think it's individual
19:26:01< G-Flex> yeah
19:26:03< G-Flex> makes sense
19:26:12< LiteralKa> heh
19:26:17< G-Flex> goddamn
19:26:28< G-Flex> 00% thinking the intelligence community is bad.
19:26:36< LiteralKa> LOL
19:26:45< LiteralKa> 100% Knowing it is bad
19:27:10< G-Flex> Markavian, well the margin of error is 4 percentage points
19:27:16< G-Flex> so it could easily be -2%
19:27:42< Markavian> -2%, does that mean you start paying me?
19:27:59< LiteralKa> lol
19:28:19< LiteralKa> It means that illegal aliens don't think so either
19:29:20< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I have an entire tailoring squad made up of illegals
19:29:26< LiteralKa> same
19:29:44< G-Flex> one another annoyance: it's impossible to free illegals at the sweatshop without also recruiting them. I want to just tell them to go away, dammit.
19:30:02< LiteralKa> I haven't played the game in a while though, due to helping developing the game
19:30:04< LiteralKa> hmm
19:30:07< LiteralKa> good point
19:30:10< G-Flex> my main squad is made up of my founder, and five chicks he recruited, with their last names changed to his
19:30:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:30:33< G-Flex> they are: a firefighter, a yoga instructor, an athlete, a black belt, and an army veteran.
19:31:08< G-Flex> who use, in that order: an axe, a daisho, a daisho, fists, and a maul
19:31:08< G-Flex> (my founder uses the Sword of Morfiegor, of course)
19:31:18< G-Flex> they aren't exactly concealable weapons.
19:31:25< LiteralKa> I use the founder for torture, a hacker, a hardened veteran, a doctor, and a judge
19:31:42< LiteralKa> my founder can convert in one sitting
19:32:15< G-Flex> LiteralKa: one sitting? You mean during interrogation?
19:32:20< LiteralKa> Yeah
19:32:25< G-Flex> ... that's kind of amazing
19:32:28< LiteralKa> even judges, CEOS etc
19:32:34< LiteralKa> oh
19:32:41< G-Flex> how the hell does he manage that?
19:32:46< G-Flex> extremely high psychology skill?
19:32:55< LiteralKa> I give them food+water and tie them up
19:33:01< LiteralKa> well
19:33:24< LiteralKa> I have high religion, science, persuasion, and psychology
19:33:37< LiteralKa> and very very high heart and charisma
19:33:44< G-Flex> LiteralKa: that works
19:33:47< LiteralKa> yeah
19:33:59< G-Flex> god damn, how do these police know where I am all the time
19:34:03< LiteralKa> I won the game in one election like that
19:34:08< G-Flex> "let's raid that one place they've never been before"
19:34:08< LiteralKa> G-Flex: `heat'
19:35:10< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I thought heat was more location-specific than that
19:35:21< LiteralKa> I worked with the code a lot
19:35:31< LiteralKa> Flags will have influence soon
19:35:49< G-Flex> but will they have a drawback? :P
19:35:57< LiteralKa> TODO
19:35:57< LiteralKa> make it less likely to be raided based on:
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - the number of sleepers.
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - how effective said sleepers are.
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - what action each sleeper is doing (promoting liberalism decreases chance while promoting conservatism increases chance)
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - what the sleeper does for a living (police officers are more influential than janitors, for instance)
19:35:58< LiteralKa> make it more likely to be raided:
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - when a liberal hacks or steals credit cards.
19:36:01< LiteralKa> - dead bodies in the base. XXX DONE
19:36:10< LiteralKa> etc
19:36:20< G-Flex> yeah
19:36:28< G-Flex> oh, hacking doesn't incur heat?
19:36:55< G-Flex> haha my squad sucks so much at driving
19:36:57< G-Flex> no practice
19:36:58< LiteralKa> I didn't notice it
19:36:59< LiteralKa> oh
19:37:15< LiteralKa> I had the judge learn to drive
19:37:19< LiteralKa> VERY well
19:37:25< LiteralKa> stealing, getting in chases
19:37:33< LiteralKa> stealing a car *every* day for a year
19:37:43< G-Flex> getting in chases sucks for people who can't drive well, though.
19:37:47< G-Flex> because they have to either bail or fight
19:37:54< G-Flex> and if you bail they lose the car
19:38:05< LiteralKa> hunt_speed = location[l]->heat / 150;
19:38:27< LiteralKa> //IF JUST SIEGED, BUY SOME TIME location[l]->siege.timeuntillocated=-1;
19:38:58< LiteralKa> // Let the place slowly cool off if there are no criminals there
19:39:01< G-Flex> also, it seems easy to get stuck in indefinite "Police officer is still on your tail!" stalemates
19:39:11< G-Flex> where you HAVE to bail
19:39:31< WilliamC> How come I keep getting raided even when I do nothing?
19:40:06< LiteralKa> lol
19:40:18< G-Flex> hematite ore?
19:40:19< LiteralKa> G-Flex: That's only w/ low skill
19:40:24< G-Flex> rock you smelt to get rock you smelt to get iron?
19:40:28< LiteralKa> I get away in one try
19:40:36< G-Flex> LiteralKa: yeah, but a stalemate is kind of weird. it should eventually at least end poorly
19:40:41< LiteralKa> I also try to make the game last as long as popular
19:40:45< LiteralKa> hmm
19:40:49< LiteralKa> I could add a counter
19:41:16< G-Flex> I mean, I don't know how success/failure is determined, but I like to avoid circumstances where you succeed or fail no matter what
19:41:25< LiteralKa> // Upper class housing -- high protection
19:41:38< G-Flex> also, what skill do you need to jack cars?
19:41:40< G-Flex> driving or security?
19:42:48< LiteralKa> security to get in
19:42:52< LiteralKa> driving to get away
19:42:58< G-Flex> if you *need* to get away :P
19:43:02< LiteralKa> ^
19:43:13< LiteralKa> I don't :P
19:43:24< Metal_Wolf> I dun get it. Why does crashing kill everyone in the car?
19:43:31< Snowden> they crashed?
19:43:40< Metal_Wolf> I mean, isn't there at least a remote chance that someone survives long enough to fight off any pursuers?
19:43:47< G-Flex> wow, the prison has *nothing* but guards right now.
19:43:56< Snowden> WHY DOES RUNNING AN AIRPLANE INTO A SKYSCRAPER KILL EVERYONE INSIDE
19:43:58< Snowden> I DUN GET IT
19:44:02< G-Flex> Snowden: shut up
19:44:02< Metal_Wolf> :|
19:44:04< Snowden> THERE SHOULD BE A REMOTE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL
19:44:07< G-Flex> crashing a car does not mean instant death for all involved
19:44:11< G-Flex> by any measure
19:44:22< LiteralKa> //Protection varies with how many people in the safehouse
19:44:37< Metal_Wolf> Well, both times that I've crashed, I had a few people in the car, and they're all counted as dead immediately, by the game.
19:45:47< G-Flex> sweet, got a conservative prison guard love-slave
19:46:23< G-Flex> that doesn't take "ability"
19:56:50< G-Flex> LiteralKa: honestly, tolerance for violence seems to go down pretty fast too. don't know if it's intentional or a bad thing
19:57:01< LiteralKa> It fluctuates a lot
20:22:44< G-Flex> the hell
20:22:48< G-Flex> in LCS, one of my sleepers just abandoned us
20:22:52< G-Flex> I didn't think that could happen.
20:22:55< LiteralKa> hmm
20:23:04< LiteralKa> What were they doing, and where?
20:24:48< G-Flex> [20:19:50] <LiteralKa> What were they doing, and where?
20:24:56< G-Flex> they were building credibility at the prison
20:25:00< G-Flex> it was a seduced prison guard
20:25:01< LiteralKa> hmm
20:25:04< LiteralKa> lol
20:26:47< G-Flex> goddamn, every raid warning involves the fucking air force and national guard
20:26:50< G-Flex> when will they just give up