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[Aqizzar]

Okay, another bug I don't know if anyone has reported.

I sent a suicide squad to attack the Cigar Bar.  Someone died, so they had to be carried.  Then I ran into an encounter group, and decided to shout the slogan.  The option to Threaten Hostages was available, even though I didn't have any hostages, just a martyr being held.

[LiteralKa]

Okay, another bug I don't know if anyone has reported.

I sent a suicide squad to attack the Cigar Bar.  Someone died, so they had to be carried.  Then I ran into an encounter group, and decided to shout the slogan.  The option to Threaten Hostages was available, even though I didn't have any hostages, just a martyr being held.

I'll check the logic in haulkidnap.cpp

[Paul]

That's an interesting bug.

"Let us go or the dead guy gets it!"

"Drop your weapons or I'll put another hole in his head!"

[LiteralKa]

That's an interesting bug.

"Let us go or the dead guy gets it!"

Ventriloquism?

[G-Flex]

I just encountered a weird bug.

I went into the police station and found one of the yellow "event" squares on the map. There were no words on that square (like "CELLS" or whatever) marking it as different from a normal one, but when I stepped on it, I got a weird border around the lower right of the screen, and the "(U)se" button is highlighted as selectable, but does nothing.

[Gantolandon]

Lockup is defined wrong. Somewhere in this thread you can find what to do as a temporary workaround.

[Svirfneblim]

Hey, I've managed to fix the bug I mentioned earlier.
There's a typo in 'sitemaps.txt', instead of POLICE_LOCKUP there should be POLICESTATION_LOCKUP. Fixing that makes the the cells in the police station work again.

Here it is!

[LiteralKa]

Posting a log from last night in #bay12games

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18:59:07< G-Flex> playing LCS some more
18:59:10< G-Flex> presidential election in effect!
18:59:16< G-Flex> sweet, the liberal won!
18:59:31< LiteralKa> G-Flex: Report any bugs/request features. :)
18:59:35< G-Flex> senate change: C+: -1   C: -3   m: -3   L: +2   L+: +5
18:59:49< LiteralKa> oh wow
18:59:51< G-Flex> LiteralKa: My main annoyance right now is how irritating it is to move stuff between safehouses
18:59:51< LiteralKa> not much change
19:00:05< LiteralKa> G-Flex: Jon's tweaking the system ATM
19:00:08< G-Flex> I have to go to the screen and do the QWERTY dance
19:00:11< G-Flex> yeah, I figured it might be a placeholder
19:00:29< G-Flex> and I still would like individual assignments to stick even after squad actions
19:00:59< G-Flex> in other words, if all my squad members are set to Hacking, I'd like them to continue doing that even after I move them to another safehouse or perform another squad action. I don't see why those assignments have to get ditched
19:01:14< G-Flex> House change:  C+: -1   C: -30   m: -21   L: +9   L+: +43
19:01:19< G-Flex> nice
19:01:38< G-Flex> hahaha, six liberal propositions and all but one passed.
19:02:05< G-Flex> unfortunately, the VP, Secretary of State, and Attorney General are all moderates.
19:02:24< G-Flex> the house is still fairly conservative, and the senate is a *little* conservative
19:03:20< G-Flex> LiteralKa: Do you see what I mean about liberal assignments, though?
19:03:21< LiteralKa> house change was huge
19:03:26< LiteralKa> uh
19:03:31< LiteralKa> yeah, I think so
19:03:40< G-Flex> it just gets annoying every time I move safehouses or send a squad to sell shit, and then have to tell all the individual members what to do again
19:03:48< G-Flex> they should keep their individual assignments and just ignore them if they're going with the squad
19:04:09< LiteralKa> oh yeah
19:04:39< G-Flex> whoa
19:04:49< G-Flex> LiteralKa, I think I just saw a bug
19:05:00< G-Flex> I had a sleeper set to "Snooping Around"
19:05:16< G-Flex> and one of my actions outed him, so he became a regular LCS member
19:05:33< LiteralKa> G-Flex: You're Using 3.19.4 right?
19:05:35< G-Flex> and he's still set to "snooping around", somehow
19:05:39< LiteralKa> oh yeah
19:05:39< G-Flex> yes
19:05:42< LiteralKa> I noticed that
19:05:51< G-Flex> I forgot he was even a member, honestly. I might just martyr him.
19:05:51< LiteralKa> Forgot to report. :|
19:05:56< LiteralKa> LOL
19:06:01< G-Flex> also, I can't figure out how teaching works, but that might not involve any bugs :P
19:06:13< LiteralKa> Explain
19:06:16< G-Flex> specifically, what caps the level of skill a liberal can teach another liberal
19:07:02< LiteralKa> uh
19:07:05< LiteralKa> I'll check
19:07:16< G-Flex> also LiteralKa, there are some old issues:
19:07:30< G-Flex> - a quadrapelegic can do things like tailoring and probably almost anything else
19:07:37< G-Flex> - you can drive cars despite not having eyes
19:08:07< LiteralKa> G-Flex: You can also hack w/o eyes or nose
19:08:14< LiteralKa> screen readers ftw
19:08:34< LiteralKa> G-Flex: I think I'll add a penalty for blind driving
19:09:03< Flame> are you johnathan fox?
19:09:16< G-Flex> hacking without eyes at least makes sense
19:09:21< G-Flex> weaving clothing without use of your limbs does not
19:09:42< G-Flex> and yeah, blind driving is.. yeah
19:09:47< G-Flex> Heph: Yes, but you can't move them
19:09:57< LiteralKa> lol
19:10:10< LiteralKa> 19:09:03 < Flame> are you johnathan fox?
19:10:12< LiteralKa> who?
19:10:19< Flame> you
19:10:29< LiteralKa> lol, no
19:10:34< Kardos> lol
19:10:47< Markavian> no
19:10:48< LiteralKa> I have Subversion access, though
19:12:35< G-Flex> also, LiteralKa, this isn't much of a *problem*, per se
19:12:41< G-Flex> but weapon balance seems weird, if the wiki is correct
19:12:49< LiteralKa> Elaborate
19:12:50< G-Flex> like, a maul costs the same as a sword but is fundamentally worse
19:12:55< LiteralKa> oh
19:12:57< LiteralKa> that
19:13:04< G-Flex> whereas the axe and swords are exactly the same
19:13:22< LiteralKa> lol
19:13:26< LiteralKa> Changing
19:13:29< G-Flex> oh, and a baseball bat does the same damage as a maul
19:13:38< LiteralKa> hmm
19:13:43< LiteralKa> I'll add some benefits
19:13:51< LiteralKa> bash, etc
19:13:58< G-Flex> what benefits could be added, though? the only factors to weapons seem to be accuracy and damage
19:14:12< G-Flex> well, and multiple hits
19:14:30< G-Flex> oh! I may have found another bug
19:14:38< G-Flex> a number in parentheses, for a weapon, means ammo, right?
19:14:41< G-Flex> because I have a "Chain (6)"
19:16:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:16:23< G-Flex> actually, I have two of them
19:16:28< G-Flex> "Chain (6) x2"
19:16:58< LiteralKa> lol
19:17:51< LiteralKa> G-Flex: do you need to reload?
19:18:05< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I haven't tried using it.
19:18:18< LiteralKa> Well, it would help to find where the bug would be
19:18:23< G-Flex> chain's placement as a "club" is kind of odd
19:18:24< LiteralKa> G-Flex: use the martyr!!
19:18:44< G-Flex> LiteralKa: good thinking
19:19:33< Hollywars> G-Flex you hit people with it
19:19:57< G-Flex> it isn't letting me *give* him ammo, at least
19:20:00< LiteralKa> Hollywars: duh
19:20:00< G-Flex> let's see if it depletes any
19:20:03< LiteralKa> interesting
19:20:10< LiteralKa> might just be a display bug
19:20:12< G-Flex> "You can't carry ammo without a gun!"
19:20:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:21:13< G-Flex> LiteralKa: Ammo doesn't seem to be used
19:21:18< LiteralKa> interesting
19:21:26< G-Flex> if it's a display bug, I'd have to wonder why it's displaying that particular value
19:23:08< G-Flex> oh, LiteralKa, another question.
19:23:18< G-Flex> does "Dodge" skill affect the whole squad the way "Tactics" did?
19:23:22< LiteralKa> Uh
19:23:24< G-Flex> or does it only affect the one character now?
19:23:26< LiteralKa> Maybe
19:23:30< LiteralKa> I'll check
19:23:42< G-Flex> I imagine if he bothered changing the name, he probably made it less broken in the process
19:23:48< G-Flex> plus it doesn't make much sense for the new skill to affect other people
19:24:20< LiteralKa>       t.train(SKILL_DODGE,5);
19:24:23< LiteralKa> and t would be
19:24:26< LiteralKa> let's see
19:24:54< LiteralKa> well
19:24:57< LiteralKa> I don't know
19:24:58< LiteralKa>       droll+=LCSrandom(maxtactics/2+t.skill[SKILL_DODGE]+1);
19:25:06< LiteralKa> still mentions tactics
19:25:09< G-Flex> yeah, that's what it was before
19:25:18< G-Flex> but how is maxtactics determined now? has that changed? :P
19:25:40< LiteralKa> Creature &t
19:25:41< G-Flex> it's pretty obvious what it's supposed to be
19:25:43< LiteralKa> t = target
19:25:54< LiteralKa> so I think it's individual
19:26:01< G-Flex> yeah
19:26:03< G-Flex> makes sense
19:26:12< LiteralKa> heh
19:26:17< G-Flex> goddamn
19:26:28< G-Flex> 00% thinking the intelligence community is bad.
19:26:36< LiteralKa> LOL
19:26:45< LiteralKa> 100% Knowing it is bad
19:27:10< G-Flex> Markavian, well the margin of error is 4 percentage points
19:27:16< G-Flex> so it could easily be -2%
19:27:42< Markavian> -2%, does that mean you start paying me?
19:27:59< LiteralKa> lol
19:28:19< LiteralKa> It means that illegal aliens don't think so either
19:29:20< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I have an entire tailoring squad made up of illegals
19:29:26< LiteralKa> same
19:29:44< G-Flex> one another annoyance: it's impossible to free illegals at the sweatshop without also recruiting them. I want to just tell them to go away, dammit.
19:30:02< LiteralKa> I haven't played the game in a while though, due to helping developing the game
19:30:04< LiteralKa> hmm
19:30:07< LiteralKa> good point
19:30:10< G-Flex> my main squad is made up of my founder, and five chicks he recruited, with their last names changed to his
19:30:15< LiteralKa> lol
19:30:33< G-Flex> they are: a firefighter, a yoga instructor, an athlete, a black belt, and an army veteran.
19:31:08< G-Flex> who use, in that order: an axe, a daisho, a daisho, fists, and a maul
19:31:08< G-Flex> (my founder uses the Sword of Morfiegor, of course)
19:31:18< G-Flex> they aren't exactly concealable weapons.
19:31:25< LiteralKa> I use the founder for torture, a hacker, a hardened veteran, a doctor, and a judge
19:31:42< LiteralKa> my founder can convert in one sitting
19:32:15< G-Flex> LiteralKa: one sitting? You mean during interrogation?
19:32:20< LiteralKa> Yeah
19:32:25< G-Flex> ... that's kind of amazing
19:32:28< LiteralKa> even judges, CEOS etc
19:32:34< LiteralKa> oh
19:32:41< G-Flex> how the hell does he manage that?
19:32:46< G-Flex> extremely high psychology skill?
19:32:55< LiteralKa> I give them food+water and tie them up
19:33:01< LiteralKa> well
19:33:24< LiteralKa> I have high religion, science, persuasion, and psychology
19:33:37< LiteralKa> and very very high heart and charisma
19:33:44< G-Flex> LiteralKa: that works
19:33:47< LiteralKa> yeah
19:33:59< G-Flex> god damn, how do these police know where I am all the time
19:34:03< LiteralKa> I won the game in one election like that
19:34:08< G-Flex> "let's raid that one place they've never been before"
19:34:08< LiteralKa> G-Flex: `heat'
19:35:10< G-Flex> LiteralKa: I thought heat was more location-specific than that
19:35:21< LiteralKa> I worked with the code a lot
19:35:31< LiteralKa> Flags will have influence soon
19:35:49< G-Flex> but will they have a drawback? :P
19:35:57< LiteralKa> TODO
19:35:57< LiteralKa> make it less likely to be raided based on:
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - the number of sleepers.
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - how effective said sleepers are.
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - what action each sleeper is doing (promoting liberalism decreases chance while promoting conservatism increases chance)
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - what the sleeper does for a living (police officers are more influential than janitors, for instance)
19:35:58< LiteralKa> make it more likely to be raided:
19:35:58< LiteralKa> - when a liberal hacks or steals credit cards.
19:36:01< LiteralKa> - dead bodies in the base. XXX DONE
19:36:10< LiteralKa> etc
19:36:20< G-Flex> yeah
19:36:28< G-Flex> oh, hacking doesn't incur heat?
19:36:55< G-Flex> haha my squad sucks so much at driving
19:36:57< G-Flex> no practice
19:36:58< LiteralKa> I didn't notice it
19:36:59< LiteralKa> oh
19:37:15< LiteralKa> I had the judge learn to drive
19:37:19< LiteralKa> VERY well
19:37:25< LiteralKa> stealing, getting in chases
19:37:33< LiteralKa> stealing a car *every* day for a year
19:37:43< G-Flex> getting in chases sucks for people who can't drive well, though.
19:37:47< G-Flex> because they have to either bail or fight
19:37:54< G-Flex> and if you bail they lose the car
19:38:05< LiteralKa> hunt_speed = location[l]->heat / 150;
19:38:27< LiteralKa> //IF JUST SIEGED, BUY SOME TIME location[l]->siege.timeuntillocated=-1;
19:38:58< LiteralKa>          // Let the place slowly cool off if there are no criminals there
19:39:01< G-Flex> also, it seems easy to get stuck in indefinite "Police officer is still on your tail!" stalemates
19:39:11< G-Flex> where you HAVE to bail
19:39:31< WilliamC> How come I keep getting raided even when I do nothing?
19:40:06< LiteralKa> lol
19:40:18< G-Flex> hematite ore?
19:40:19< LiteralKa> G-Flex: That's only w/ low skill
19:40:24< G-Flex> rock you smelt to get rock you smelt to get iron?
19:40:28< LiteralKa> I get away in one try
19:40:36< G-Flex> LiteralKa: yeah, but a stalemate is kind of weird. it should eventually at least end poorly
19:40:41< LiteralKa> I also try to make the game last as long as popular
19:40:45< LiteralKa> hmm
19:40:49< LiteralKa> I could add a counter
19:41:16< G-Flex> I mean, I don't know how success/failure is determined, but I like to avoid circumstances where you succeed or fail no matter what
19:41:25< LiteralKa>  // Upper class housing -- high protection
19:41:38< G-Flex> also, what skill do you need to jack cars?
19:41:40< G-Flex> driving or security?
19:42:48< LiteralKa> security to get in
19:42:52< LiteralKa> driving to get away
19:42:58< G-Flex> if you *need* to get away :P
19:43:02< LiteralKa> ^
19:43:13< LiteralKa> I don't :P
19:43:24< Metal_Wolf> I dun get it. Why does crashing kill everyone in the car?
19:43:31< Snowden> they crashed?
19:43:40< Metal_Wolf> I mean, isn't there at least a remote chance that someone survives long enough to fight off any pursuers?
19:43:47< G-Flex> wow, the prison has *nothing* but guards right now.
19:43:56< Snowden> WHY DOES RUNNING AN AIRPLANE INTO A SKYSCRAPER KILL EVERYONE INSIDE
19:43:58< Snowden> I DUN GET IT
19:44:02< G-Flex> Snowden: shut up
19:44:02< Metal_Wolf> :|
19:44:04< Snowden> THERE SHOULD BE A REMOTE CHANCE OF SURVIVAL
19:44:07< G-Flex> crashing a car does not mean instant death for all involved
19:44:11< G-Flex> by any measure
19:44:22< LiteralKa>             //Protection varies with how many people in the safehouse
19:44:37< Metal_Wolf> Well, both times that I've crashed, I had a few people in the car, and they're all counted as dead immediately, by the game.
19:45:47< G-Flex> sweet, got a conservative prison guard love-slave
19:46:23< G-Flex> that doesn't take "ability"
19:56:50< G-Flex> LiteralKa: honestly, tolerance for violence seems to go down pretty fast too. don't know if it's intentional or a bad thing
19:57:01< LiteralKa> It fluctuates a lot
20:22:44< G-Flex> the hell
20:22:48< G-Flex> in LCS, one of my sleepers just abandoned us
20:22:52< G-Flex> I didn't think that could happen.
20:22:55< LiteralKa> hmm
20:23:04< LiteralKa> What were they doing, and where?
20:24:48< G-Flex> [20:19:50] <LiteralKa> What were they doing, and where?
20:24:56< G-Flex> they were building credibility at the prison
20:25:00< G-Flex> it was a seduced prison guard
20:25:01< LiteralKa> hmm
20:25:04< LiteralKa> lol
20:26:47< G-Flex> goddamn, every raid warning involves the fucking air force and national guard
20:26:50< G-Flex> when will they just give up


[Ampersand]

Why not have a Police Chief in the Police station that, if made a sleeper, effects raid chances? Naturally, there would have to be Police Gang leaders and Death Squad leaders as well to pad it out.

[Svirfneblim]

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

[LiteralKa]

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

Oh God, that would be amazing, yet a bitch to code.

[Servant Corps]

Why? High-ranking officers would be more likely to give out raid warnings. Detectives add to the heat rating of the hideouts. Lab staff can reduce the Scare Factor of crime, making it easier to get acquitted.

Of course, I rather prefer making the game harder, not easier.

[EuchreJack]

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

I remember seing Batman: The Dark Knight and seeing the part where Gordon disguises himself as a regular SWAT officer and thinking, "Gee, what if we had something like that in LCS?"

[Jonathan S. Fox]

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

Oh God, that would be amazing, yet a bitch to code.

I could probably do it in a few hours, actually. It essentially just requires a few new character types for the different police officers, and then special handling for them where relevant to their effects as sleepers.

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

I remember seing Batman: The Dark Knight and seeing the part where Gordon disguises himself as a regular SWAT officer and thinking, "Gee, what if we had something like that in LCS?"

What specifically about it did you want to see in LCS? I'm assuming it's not specifically a police commissioner masquerading as a SWAT officer...

[LiteralKa]

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

Oh God, that would be amazing, yet a bitch to code.

I could probably do it in a few hours, actually. It essentially just requires a few new character types for the different police officers, and then special handling for them where relevant to their effects as sleepers.

It'd be an ambitious change, but imagine having the police station actually have officers divided into different ranks, detectives, lab staff and so on. Having sleepers in different parts of the force would let you affect it in different ways. For example, high-ranking officers would give raid warnings earlier and with higher reliability than low-ranking ones. Detectives, if assiged to track the LCS, could slow down the police finding you. Lab staff could try to sabotage findings from a crime to let the perpetuators off the hook...

I remember seing Batman: The Dark Knight and seeing the part where Gordon disguises himself as a regular SWAT officer and thinking, "Gee, what if we had something like that in LCS?"

What specifically about it did you want to see in LCS? I'm assuming it's not specifically a police commissioner masquerading as a SWAT officer...

Well a few hours is a lot to me. I'm used to writing small scripts, or extensions to existing code.