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[Hilscher]

Good lord.  Hilscher, there wouldn't even be a problem if you could just be civil.  We might even have more participants.  Goron has a point; you are extremely pushy about things and are undermining the fun of this.  If how the votes are turning out really bothers you that much, you're probably better off playing your own fort by yourself so you don't ruin things for others.  You'll probably have more fun that way.  If it doesn't bother you as much as you would lead us to believe, then you have no call to act the way you are, and all your fuss merely amounts to trolling.

And while yes, you did write up that charter, at the same time you continued with your ongoing  self-righteous rant about how stupid we all are.  Any responses attacking you were provoked, and I can forgive them for that.  You, however, have been all kinds of rude and obnoxious without any sort of provocation.  That sort of behavior can only cause distress.

Trolling? No, I'm flamebaiting. There's a difference. You say you're not going to be able to have fun if someone is being rude. That attitude makes you a fossil; it comes straight from the 1950s. You're soft, weak. You need to stop letting words have so much power over you. Really, you're going to let words cast at you from an anonymous person hundreds of miles away from you into the incorporeal realm of information ruin your fun? Do you see how stupid that is? Not only do I not let empty ad hominems bother me, I enjoy them. It is a lesson I am willing to teach you even at the highest cost you can exact on me in retribution for it; which admittedly isn't all that high. You are probably incapable of understanding this, or you most likely would already, though. But I won't ever, ever, ever be civil, and the more you have a conversation about civility with me the more you bring the incivility on yourself. Feel free to drape yourself in the chains of society, but stop trying to recruit me. I'm not into it, and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind.

Stop. Letting. Words. Control. You.

I'm not getting my panties in a knot while Goron and Org are calling me an asshat. Speaking of which, you're talking to me about civility while they continue to do that. I guess that's kind of funny, isn't it, Lego? Compared to them I'm being very civil, aren't I? But you don't care about that because their incivility isn't directed your way; isn't that right? You're not being objective. You're being emotional; irrational. Or maybe you're not mad about incivility at all. Maybe I've got it all wrong. Maybe you just don't like me being self-righteous. If that's the case, then drop the shit about the civility and just focus on how you hate pompous faggots like me, and get the BS out of the way. Kay?

[LegoLord]

Hilscher, all I've asked is that you act according to the forum guidelines, because frankly I'd rather try to prevent you from getting reported than report you.  Incivility doesn't help your argument and other people don't seem to like it, so there's really no point in doing it.  If you want incivility, I hear 4chan has boards for that sort of thing.

[Hilscher]

I like how you just ignore anything I say to you and just keep trying to recruit.

[LegoLord]

I'm not ignoring you; you say you think incivility is a good thing, so I point you in the direction of a place on the internet where you might find people who feel the same.  However, I doubt you will find such people here, so you might as well just play along while you're here.

[Emmanovi]

Dwarves. Please. I would request we drop this whole matter of attacking each other in any way. Things have been said, but let us leave the issue, and try and make a fresh start.

Grail/Hilscher, of course I vote against the motion to evict you. I was hoping that as a community we might see fit to let it drop.

I have read through the charter, and nothing strikes me as wrong about it, so I shall vote for it. I will have a more detailed read and analysis when I get a chance, but I think it should be fine. I'm glad Grail/Hilscher has gone to the effort to write one, and one of some detail and with many good points in there.

I think our community needs a few... how shall I put it... radicals? People like Grail/Hilscher (which would you prefer to be referred to as, by the way?) who are unafraid to do what they think is necessary. This conflict has caused some problems and some anger, but it has paved the way for a charter, and for this we should be glad and thankful. Every society will have people who may not sound as harmoniously as all others, but this is no bad thing.

A couple of small messages:

Grail/Hilscher - I'm sorry, but a message stating "TL;DR" goes against the ideas of this society in which we encourage that citizens take an active part in observing what others are saying and reacting to debate and discussion in order to vote effectively. Since the post was talking about you, it might have been wise to read it. I hope you have done.

Goron - I appreciate that you appear to dislike Hilscher and his attitude. However, I would ask that you practice some good-natured dwarven civility at this point and allow the community to progress.

I don't seek a reprimand or sanction for anyone, I seek a resolution of this matter and a transition back to regular proceedings which is as smooth as possible.

Goron, could I ask whether you would prefer official votes to be presented at a later time? Or may I officially respond to motions now?

[LegoLord]

Every society will have people who may not sound as harmoniously as all others, but this is no bad thing.

We shouldn't have have needed to go through all that just to get a charter.  This is still Toady's forum.  We still need to go by its guidelines.

[Emmanovi]

Every society will have people who may not sound as harmoniously as all others, but this is no bad thing.

We shouldn't have have needed to go through all that just to get a charter.  This is still Toady's forum.  We still need to go by its guidelines.

I appreciate that. However, the situation did seem to be getting to a point where the debate was stalling, and people seemed to be dropping the matter which was evidently an important one. We can't change the past; we can only take note of it in order to make better decisions in the future. Hence why I'm compelling people to drop the issue. I'm not condoning nor condemning people's behaviour, because I don't think either is warranted on either side of this argument. Commenting, perhaps, which is why I have made some comments.

[Emmanovi]

Apologies, Ladies and Gentledwarves, but it's only just occured to me that I probably won't be available for the next day or possibly two. I'm therefore going to post my votes for this meeting now in the hope that they will be counted, as I probably won't be able to vote until too late otherwise.

It seems many of my votes have already been recorded, so I'm just going to clear up the remainder.

• Build ballista towers flanking the fortress perimeter. Four total. [Lav]..... moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Legon
  Against: Goron
  Abstain:

I think this is more of a long-term project. I support this if it is to be done at a later time, but move against should this be intended for the coming year.

• Exectutive Judicial positions in place to check elected executive positions[Grail]..... moved and seconded
  For: Grail, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain:

I think I get the gist of this, but without some more specifics I must abstain. Is this covered in the charter?

• Draft a bill of rights[Grail]..... moved and seconded
  For: Grail, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain:

I'm for this, if the charter is not seen as one.

• Construct an outdoor refuse pile[Lav].....moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Legon
  Against: Goron
  Abstain:

As previously mentioned, I am against this. We can cope with the current lack of space by digging out more space for the current one and/or using the current stocks of bone and such to make crafts, bolts and decorations for current items.



Additionally, I believe the charter might conflict with some motions. I imagine if it passes it should take precedence, but it would be wise to check this. I should state than any of my votes which directly contradict the charter should now be treated as voting in accordance with the charter (I'm thinking of Sheriffs, terms and such here).

Have we made any progress on nominating chairdwarf and judicators for the coming terms (going by the charter)? If not, I certainly believe this is a priority case. As previously mentioned, I nominate Lav as chairdwarf for Spring. It has been suggested that Lav continues with the coming year, but I would advise that we take a different judicator to mark the beginning of the new year, to help avoid clashes with the charter and running-over of terms.

Thank-you people, and good-night... I'm sorry, it's late here, my posts may be somewhat incoherent. Citizen Emmanovi out.

[Hilscher]

Judicators and basic rights are indeed in the charter and described in detail (hopefully), though as it is my work I'd very much recommend someone or many people not only read it but proof it and check it against their own expectations to avoid any redundancy, conflicts, grammar or spelling errors in such an important document, or other such problems so that we get everything as clear and specific as possible so that there is absolutely no confusion in the future. It's a lot of work but if you want it to be a comprehensive document it's going to take a lot of work.

I am a radical, but as I've hopefully made it very clear, you can call me whatever you wish and I won't take offense. You could call me inflammatory, even though that is simply a way of deflecting one's inability to keep one's own emotions in check on someone else. Sticks and stones, children...

I didn't read that post by Goron past the first paragraph or so, and I don't intend to. It's far too long, and full of nonsense. As I've said, I fill a role that is required here. Peace love and harmony is the road to groupthink, and I'm not sorry for it because if I don't fill it someone else must and if no one else is willing to, then the thread dies.

[LegoLord]

Meh.  You know, I'm tired of this.  I quit.

[Hilscher]

• The defense of Equalvoice is the honorable duty of every citizen, so every dwarf in the fortress should spend one season per year training in (martial arts and weapon use). [Lav] ..... moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Emmanovi, Org, Grail
  Against: Yaddy, Goron, Legon

Nay... Not per year. That's far too much. One season, period, or perhaps one season every five or ten years, possibly. Definitely in favor of mandatory training, for the many, many reasons that have been laid down. Also: mining counts as training as well.

• No wrestlers by profession[Emmanovi]..... moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Lav, Org
  Against:Yaddy, Legon
  Abstain: Goron

Yea. Obviously. Damned Wrestlers. Always gettin' oiled up an' distractin' Grail from 'er minin'.

• Establish a militia program. Initial 5 dwarves activated but standing down in training.[Grail]..... moved and seconded
  For:Grail, legon
  Against: Lav, org, Yaddy
  Abstain: Goron

Changing my vote to against, then, because 5 is way too many at the present time. We're probably going to be getting about 8 immigrants this season and I expect that 3 should be a good garrison force for the time being. In which case I'd be in favor of it, since we'll be getting our first kobold thief soon. Five was pitched as the eventual number.

• Designate a bookkeeper, at least part time. [Goron] ..... moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, YAddy, Goron, Legon
  Against:Grail
  Abstain: Org

Changing my vote to Yea; I wrote the possibility of book keepers into the charter I suggested, since I'm sort of getting what you want one for. Could the bookkeeper also be charged with reminders of elections and such? A suggestion. We usually seem to forget.

• Sheriff/Captain of the Guard position is held until replaced by a standard motion and vote.[Emmanovi]
  For: Emmanovi, Lav,
  Against: (Org?)

I'm against it. No lifetime appointments.

• Build a Session Hall. Large enough for the entire population, with podiums for the chair and director[Goron] ..... moved and seconded
  For:Goron, Legon
  Against:Org, Yaddy, Grail
  Abstain: Emmanovi, lav

What - we're going to build a useless war room but not a useless session room that looks way cooler? Don't get me wrong, I'm against both, but if we're going to build something useless let's at least build the cool double level one. Or at least use that plan for your silly war room.

• Craft instruments to be used in the session hall during the pomp and fanfare of the start and end of sessions[Goron] ..... moved and seconded
  For:Goron, Grail, Legon
  Against: Emmanovi
  Abstain: Lav, Yaddy

Changing my vote to against. We've got better things to be doing with our resources.

• Complete the perimeter by digging the moat through rock in the north-east and south-west sections.[Lav]..... moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Lav, Org, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain: Yaddy, Goron

Yea.

• Current and future dwarves are always tasked with animal care.[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Goron, Legon
  

Nay. All Dwarves have the right to preclude themselves from certain labors, this one is no exception. But I am in favor of it being the default unless otherwise stipulated.

• Increase fortress wealth.[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  • By creating trade goods, or
  • making well-crafted furniture and installing it, or
  • decorating current items with bone, gem, metal and the like
  For: Emmanovi, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain: Goron

Nay. Wealth schmealth. Let's not tempt the kingman to come back and annex us by flaunting our wealth. Let's focus on projects and building our strength.

• Set up barracks and archery range (in tower).[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Legon, Goron
  Against:
  Abstain:

Yea. That's what it's there for.

• At first sign of a skulking kobold or evil goblin, station an able marksdwarf at the above ground entrance until a reasonable amount of time passes, to assume that there are no others about.[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain: Goron

Yea. Although technically I set it up so that if the first level of the tower is the barracks, any thieves or pedophile humanoids will have to go through the barracks to get at our delicious treasure and shiny children.

• Designate four statue room as a meeting hall.[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Legon
  Against: Goron
  Abstain:

Yea. It kind of already is. The one down below will have to become a third storage room or something.

• Construct an outdoor refuse pile[Lav].....moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Legon
  Against: Goron
  Abstain:

Nay. Already had quite a discussion about this. I mean, we kind of voted to create one, so the need for a second vote is kind of redundant and unfair to those who wanted one. I suppose technically it should be re-authorized, but my opposition to the idea has not changed. Dig a new one underground if you for some reason need more space, or use up the bone.

• Expand the current refuse pile[Emmanovi].....moved and seconded
  For: Emmanovi, Goron, Legon

Nay. Create an identical new one on a zlevel up or down. Don't expand the existing one.

• Director works a one-year term instead of one-season term[Lav].....moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Emmanovi, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain: Goron

Yea.

• Build ballista towers flanking the fortress perimeter. Four total. [Lav]..... moved and seconded
  For: Lav, Legon
  Against: Goron
  Abstain:

I'm with Emmanovi on this one. We definitely should do this at some point, just like Lav's causeway, but not yet. I'm assuming he meant it for later anyway. Sexy plans as always, Lav. Voting Nay, though. Just FYI, the design of the tower we already built allows a ballista to point each way, but doesn't have the buffer area to prevent fleeing that Lav's more comprehensive one does.

• Exectutive Judicial positions in place to check elected executive positions[Grail]..... moved and seconded
  For: Grail, Legon
  Against:
  Abstain:

Yea, but like Emmanovi said, breaking the content of the charter down into motions like these could create redundancy. I'd rather vote in favor of the charter. Or ANY charter. Doesn't have to be the one I drafted. I'd prefer everyone write their own charters then they be consolidated and debated down to one charter, but that's unrealistic.'


EDIT: Bye, drama queen. And here I thought it was Goron threatening to leave. Get a hold of your emotions, lego and quit taking things so personally. So few things are worth getting so upset about, and you let yourself have your enjoyment of something ruined by cheap words? Psh. I'm not going to talk softly into your ear and ask you to stay, Lego, because I'm not going to change my behavior under any circumstances. A forum game isn't worth selling my honor out to, and neither are your feelings. But I'd hope you could learn to enjoy the arguing in a democracy game where you're supposed to argue. That's what politics is. A lot of bitter fighting, only we're doing it for pretend. Get a grip, be a man, relish the challenge. That is all.

[Goron]

Meh.  You know, I'm tired of this.  I quit.

I think I'm right there with ya.
Not worth my time.

With Hilscher just not giving a fuck, and Emmanovi and some others just not getting the message that this is not a "dwarf" issue but an out of character 'Hilscher is a dick" issue- this thread is not for me. I can go punch my self in the nuts if I want to be exposed to annoying shit, so I figure there is no reason I should be exposing myself to Hilscher here.

[Hilscher]

Meh.  You know, I'm tired of this.  I quit.

I think I'm right there with ya.
Not worth my time.

With Hilscher just not giving a fuck, and Emmanovi and some others just not getting the message that this is not a "dwarf" issue but an out of character 'Hilscher is a dick" issue- this thread is not for me. I can go punch my self in the nuts if I want to be exposed to annoying shit, so I figure there is no reason I should be exposing myself to Hilscher here.

Bon voyage, mon ami.

[Hilscher]

Kupluk grasped his long, braided white beard in consternation. His brow wrinkled slightly with a faintly detectable emotion. Was it... fear? No. Merely concern. He drew in a small breath, set his brow, and smiled a bit.

"His majesty the King shall see you now, Baron Kupluk." announced the Sergeant-at-Arms, not looking to the Baron, but standing perfectly erect, at a painfully intentional attention, his voice a cold informative monotone.

"Yes, of course. Thank you, soldier." the Baron's dry, drawling voice replied. He gathered his nobledwarfs robes up in one hand, and walked himself into the court on a cane that looked rather like a scepter to rival the King's. As he neared the throne, he bowed only slightly, as though his old bones would not allow him to bend further.

"Your excellency, my liege. Great King of the Dwarves. I most humbly thank you for seeing me. I shall not waste your invaluable time any more than I must, but I bring news."

"What news do you bring, Sir Kupluk?" The King asked, his eyebrows arching.

"It seems your magnificent and ingenious plan is working, with regards to the undesirables. The democrats." The Baron said, as though the emphasized words gave him pain to speak. "Three of their number have returned here. The halfwit farmer you already know about and two others that arrived just this morning. They were brought to my manor this morning by my bodyguards. One spat angrily that I was a lowly kingsman, whatever that means, and he broke free and ran off. The other, however, has been most cooperative. He has begged to be taken back, and cried that he was a fool to ever doubt his King's infinite wisdom - infinite indeed, this last year has been wonderful without them - and he has said that the fortress is nothing more than a bunch of bitterly bickering Dwarves. Strife runs rampant through their number, my King, and they shall surely soon give up their mad fever dreams of this 'democracy.'"

"Ah, this is splendid news indeed; though I hoped that before the year was out they'd all have killed themselves in such fights. Tis only a matter of time, though, it seems."

"Indeed so, Great King. What shall I do with the repentant democrat in my custody, my liege? Shall I kill him, lord?"

"No, no. Shouldn't be necessary, Sir Kupluk. That is, after all, the genius of the plan. He has seen the error of his ways and I grant him pardon."

"So generous of you, Great King. Surely you are the most magnificent we have ever had to reign his kindness down upon us, your subjects. I shall inform him of your most merciful benevolence at once! Thank you for seeing me."

As he was excused, the Baron swept up with much more strength and agility than he had bothered to muster when bowing to the King, and left the court with a smile. Clear of listening ears, he approached his retinue.

"Captain. Kill the captive on the King's order for treason; but do it quietly. The king doesn't wish for this punishment to get out. Do it yourself, and tell no one."

"Yes, Baron."

The updated list of votes for this meeting, in the interim of Goron's tearful retreat from the thread. Voting ends in a little more than 12 hours, at 3:50 PM EST, but feel free to select another chairdwarf. I believe Lav has been nominated as the next Chairdwarf. I shall at this and other special motions to this reformatted and in some cases dramatically reworded motions. I would like to remind everyone that I am not acting in an official capacity; this writing has NO authority as I have not been elected to this post, this is merely to lay the groundwork for whomever we choose as the next Chairdwarf, as I am perceived to be to blame for the situation we now find ourselves in.

I'm hereby nominating Yaddy to serve as our next director on a sort of probation to make sure he can do the job properly in a timely, competent fashion if he accepts and is elected. The probation isn't so much a legally recognized status as an understanding that I will initiate a very speedy motion of no confidence if he doesn't provide timely updates if he is elected.

I'm also nominating myself to serve out the remainder of this session as chairdwarf.



Exploratory mining should be done on the entire map (at least one drill per region, preferably more).
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Org, Grail
Against: Yaddy
Passes.

Levy a mandatory training tax of one season for every Dwarf.
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Org, Grail
Against: Yaddy
Passes.

NPC Dwarves are not used for determining majorities during voting.
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Org, Grail
Against: Yaddy
Passes.

No forced military service.
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Org, Grail, Yaddy
Passes.

NO WRESTLERS
For:
Against: Lav, Org, Grail
Abstain: Yaddy
Fails.

No wrestlers by profession.
For: Emmanovi, Lav, Org
Against:Yaddy, Grail
Passes.

Establish a garrison of activated but standing down Dwarves at the barracks guarding the entrance in the tower.
For: Grail
Against: Lav, Org, Yaddy
Fails.

Designate a bookkeeper.
For: Emmanovi, Yaddy, Grail
Against:
Abstain: Org
Passes.

No mandatory training. Citizens must opt in for training.
For: Yaddy
Against: Emmanovi, Lav, Org, Grail
Fails.

Institute an emergency draft option for crowd control purposes.
For: Emmanovi, Lav, Yaddy
Against: Grail
Passes.

Sheriff/Captain of the Guard is an elected position.
For: Emmanovi, Lav, Yaddy, Grail
Against: Org
Passes.

Sheriff/Captain of the Guard position is held until replaced by a standard motion and vote.
For: Emmanovi, Lav,
Against: Org, Grail
Stalemate.

Sheriff/Captain of the Guard position is held for a term of five years.
For: Grail
Against: Emmanovi, Lav, Org
Fails.

The Sheiff/Captain of the Guard should have some degree of control over military matters and justice (discussion needed).
For: Emmanovi, Lav, Yaddy, Grail
Against:
Passes.

Construct a War Room.
For: Yaddy
Against: Org, Grail
Abstain: Emmanovi, Lav
Fails.

Build a Session Hall. Large enough for the entire population, with podiums for the chair and director.
For:
Against: Org, Yaddy, Grail
Abstain: Emmanovi, Lav
Fails.

Craft instruments to be used in the session hall during the pomp and fanfare of the start and end of sessions.
For:
Against: Emmanovi, Grail
Abstain: Lav, Yaddy
Fails.

Commission statues of each new chair and director.
For: Grail
Against: Emmanovi. Lav, Org, Yaddy
Fails.

Build a Chair's Hall and Director's Hall to be lined with statues of Chairdwarves and Directors.
For:
Against: Emmanovi, Lav, Org, Yaddy, Grail
Fails.

Complete the perimeter by digging the moat through rock in the north-east and south-west sections.
For: Emmanovi, Lav, Org, Grail
Against:
Abstain: Yaddy
Passes.

Current and future Dwarves are always tasked with animal care.
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail*, Org
Fails.

Increase fortress wealth. (Creating trade goods, furnishing the fortress, decorating items.)
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail
Stalemate.

Set up barracks and archery range (in tower).
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:
Passes.

At first sign of a skulking kobold or evil goblin, station an able marksdwarf at the above ground entrance until a reasonable amount of time passes, to assure that there are no others about.
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:
Passes.

Designate four statue room as a meeting hall.
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:
Passes.

Construct an outdoor refuse pile.
For: Lav
Against: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Fails.

Expand the current refuse pile.
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail
Abstain: Org
Stalemate.

Director works a one-year term instead of one-season term.
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:
Passes.

Build ballistae towers flanking the fortress perimeter. Four total.
For: Lav
Against: Grail, Emmanovi, Org
Fails.

Executive Judicial positions in place to check elected executive and legislative power.
For: Grail
Against:
Abstain: Emmanovi, Org
Not Seconded.

Draft a charter.
For: Grail, Emmanovi
Against:
Abstain: Org
Passes.

Draft a Bill of Rights
For: Grail, Emmanovi
Against:
Abstain: Org
Passes.

Lav for Chairman. (Special Motion.)
Nomination: Emmanovi
Acceptance: No
For: Emmanovid, Grail, Org
Against:

Yaddy for Director. (Special Motion.)
Nomination: Grail
Acceptance: No
For: Grail, Emmanovi, Lav
Against:
Abstain: Org

Grail for the remainder of Goron's term as Chairdwarf. (Special Motion.)
Nominated: (Grail)
Accepted: (Yes)
For: (Grail), Emmanovi, Lav
Against:
Abstain: Org

Ratify the Charter - Must be unanimous. (Special Motion.)
For: Grail, Org, Yaddy, Emmanovi

[Org]

Current and future Dwarves are always tasked with animal care.
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail*, Org

Increase fortress wealth.
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail
How are we increasing fortress wealth here?

Set up barracks and archery range (in tower).
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:

At first sign of a skulking kobold or evil goblin, station an able marksdwarf at the above ground entrance until a reasonable amount of time passes, to assure that there are no others about.
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:
We might also want to station guard at the bridges.

Designate four statue room as a meeting hall.
For: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:

Construct an outdoor refuse pile.
For: Lav
Against: Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Indoor

Expand the current refuse pile.
For: Emmanovi
Against: Grail
Abstain:Org

Director works a one-year term instead of one-season term.
For: Lav, Emmanovi, Grail, Org
Against:

Build ballistae towers flanking the fortress perimeter. Four total.
For: Lav
Against: Grail, Emmanovi, Org

Executive Judicial positions in place to check elected executive and legislative power.
For: Grail
Against:
Abstain: Emmanovi, Org

Draft a charter.
For: Grail, Emmanovi
Against:
Abstain:Org

Draft a bill of rights
For: Grail, Emmanovi
Against:
Abstain:Org

Lav for Chairman. (Special Motion.)
Nomination: Emmanovi
Acceptance: No
For: Grail, Org

Yaddy for Director. (Special Motion.)
Nomination: Grail
Acceptance: No
Abstain:Org

Grail for the remainder of Goron's term as Chairdwarf (about twelve hours). (Special Motion.)
For: Grail (Nominated Self)
Against:
Abstain:Org

Ratify the Charter - Must be unanimous. (Special Motion.)
For: Grail, Org



And I am Against the Captain of the Guard/Sheriff Issues, as I do not want to have either of nobles in the fortress.