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[umiman]

Suing Pirate bay is like taking a class action lawsuit against a newborn baby for indecent exposure.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

You know, things like music should only be shared among immediate family members.  I mean, they are likely to hear each other's music anyway, and if one of them payed for it, it should be alright.

File sharing with total strangers, though . . . that's just stupid.  You aren't making any money and you don't owe those downloading the stuff anything.

But it's just nice. See, pirates can be nice!

[LegoLord]

But it's not nice to the musicians, who get, like, a dollar per thousands of people downloading the song.  Sometimes not even that.

[Muz]

I mean, guys, seriously, why would you guys care? There's so much hate put in this, and I'm missing what all the flames are all about People get sued for dumb things all the time.

[LegoLord]

I agree that suing Pirate Bay is stupid, but the reason I care about pirating is that stealing from a certain author who I will not name here is indirectly stealing from me and directly stealing from some one I know.

It goes:  Author->my folks->me.

I also knew him.

[Muz]

Lol, no, I mean to the Pirate Bay symphatizers. It's not like they shut down other file sharing sites.

[codezero]

It's jimi hendrix isn't it? Don't lie about it. I highly doubt you've lost any income from piracy, I'd say the opposite, but it's fair to not want to be stolen from, on principle.

As to the pirate bay trial, it's the principle of it that gets people backs up. It lessens the freedom of the internet, but mainly it's about this:

That someone at The Pirate Bay has a cocky attitude or certain political standpoint is not sufficient to issue a guilty verdict,” Nilsson added.

Taken from the article;
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/pirate-bay-trial-piracy-copyright,7174.html

Every user who has downloaded illegal content from the pirate bay (and I'm one of 'em) is far more guilty than the pirate bay, who are completely innocent. I'd rather be sued myself, on principle. (I need a thesaurus)

[Jackrabbit]

Suing Pirate bay is like taking a class action lawsuit against a newborn baby for indecent exposure.

Except that the baby doesn't know any better and has no control over being naked or not

Piratebay.org really had it coming the way they publicly taunted any effort to sue them and how they lauded their own piracy and invincibility.

Yeah, this is true...

So if I change my name to "The Rapist" then walk up to a policeman and say "Haha you can't arrest me because I haven't committed rape!" I deserve to be arrested and imprisoned for rape?

No, but you could be arrested for "breach of the peace" and "wasting police time"

[umiman]

Jackrabbit: I was writing bad analogies to continue to flow...

By the way, it seems it's not clear what I mean by "taunting the authorities". Here's what they do: http://thepiratebay.org/legal

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Subject: Re: Re : WHITE STRIPES / Pirate Bay - Torrents
From: anakata
To: Jgela1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:01:41 +0200

On Thu, 2005-05-26 at 06:11 -0400, Jgela1@aol.com wrote:
>
>                              Web Sheriff
>                 Protecting Your Rights on the Internet
>            Tel 44-(0)208-323 8013 / Fax 44-(0)208-323 8080
>             websheriff@websheriff.com  www.websheriff.com
>
>                    STRICTLY PRIVATE & CONFIDENTIAL
>                       ATTENTION ADDRESSEES ONLY



>
>   Dear Frederik,

It's spelled "Fredrik".

>   We would refer you to our notification of yesterday's date regarding
> the above, the contents of which are self-explanatory (hereinafter
> referred to as the "Notification"), to which we have yet to receive
> the courtesy of a response.

We would like to refer you to our Legal Threats section, on which we,
while having much fun, ridicule people like you.
Thank you for your contribution.

>   Notwithstanding the fact that you contend that torrent hosting is
> legal in Sweden (which we would dispute),

...and I would like to refer you to the relevant court cases.
Unfortunately, our legal team partied quite heavily last night, so the
only reference I can provide you with is Högsta Domstolen (the Swedish
Supreme Court) NJA I 1996 page 79.

> you also seem to fail to recognise that your web-site is accessible
> all over the world and that, as such, your actions and, furthermore,
> your refusal to act, opens you and your company up to the possibility
> of law suits in - inter alia - the United States and the United
> Kingdom. Such law suits could result in your being refused entry to
> both the US and the UK

Damnit. You got us there. Now I'm so scared I pissed my pants. Where
should I send the invoice for cleaning them?
 
> Accordingly we would strongly recommend that you immediately comply
> with the Notification, failing which we shall be obliged to advise our
> clients' attorneys to take against your company (and your company
> officers) without further notice.

Wow, we have something in common! See, I also have obligations of my
own. For example, I'm obliged to provide entertainment to our users.

> We would also warn you that, if such steps do prove to be necessary,
> our clients' attorneys would also (a) notify the Swedish tax
> authorities of your commercial activities,

You mean our non-commercial, loss-generating activities?

> (b) notify the Swedish government of your illegal activities, (c)
> notify the Swedish record industry association of your pirate
> activities and (d) notify the IFPI of your piracy activities.

Do you seriously believe that these parties aren't already aware of the
site? You may want to read Swedish media...

>   We shall look forward to hearing from you.

We look forward to receiving more of your so exquisitely designed HTML
e-mails with the shiny wanna-be-police-star.

>   Whilst writing, we would further caution you against communicating
> or otherwise posting any remarks that could be construed as being
> defamatory of our clients (or Web Sheriff) or that could otherwise be
> injurious to our clients' (or our) genuine business interests.
> Similarly, we would inform you that the copyright in the Notification
> and, indeed, this e-mail is vested in Web Sheriff and that, in the
> event that you attempt to publish either the Notification or this
> e-mail on your web-site (or elsewhere), appropriate action shall be
> taken for infringement of our copyright (we trust, in this regard,
> that you will concur that Sweden does recognise copyright).

We trust, in this regard, that you will concur that publishing your
e-mail is not in violation of Swedish copyright law. When our lawyer's
hangover has passed, he will be more than happy to explain the juicy
details to you.

>   Naturally and notwithstanding the foregoing, all accumulated rights
> of our clients - including, but not limited to, the right to institute
> proceedings against your company in the United States - remain
> strictly reserved.

You also have the right to institute sodomizing of yourself. Preferably
with barbed wire, but retractable batons might also work if you push
them far enough.

>   Yours sincerely,
>
>   WEB SHERIFF

I wanna be a cool WEB SHERIFF when I grow up. Do I get a shiny star and
a six-shooter?

It's funny, but it's really, really silly and bad for your legal case.

[Jackrabbit]

I suspected that. You aren't know for bad analogy's and that one made my brain hurt.

Oh, oh and also, I didn't read the last few posts of the previous page

[codezero]

Authorities? What sort of a joke is this self-styled web sherriff?

[olemars]

Lol, no, I mean to the Pirate Bay symphatizers. It's not like they shut down other file sharing sites.

It's not like they even shut down the pirate bay. The servers were moved to more... lenient countries a couple of years ago so this trial won't directly affect the operation of the site. The only thing this trial has provided is more ammunition to the media industry folks' attempts to impose draconian rules on internet traffic.

They did try to get ISPs to block access to TPB after the court ruling though, but all the ISPs have refused to do so.

[Mel_Vixen]

Legolord sure you have loss on income but how much gets the printing companie (i just asume your relative is a writer then your say Autor)? IIRc ist around 90-95 % of the win the book creates. The situation of the writers is mostly made by the printing companies (atleast here). Pirates "steal" from the Printers which have stolen from the writers. The printers also steal many rights from the wirtters which is for me the greater loss by the way.

A fair deal would be having the book on the net for download.
3 Euro per 300 pages generates at 10000 downloads 30000 Euro of income which could go directly to the artist. And if E-Books would be 3 Dollars i would buy them in Dozens instead of pirating them (which i dont do that often) because 3 Euro (or even 5) is for me a fair price and i know i did nothing wrong + if the money goes intirely to the Artist i know  that i have paid the person who brought me enjoyment.

Sadly our (german) printers roll with the idea that a ebook has to be as expensiv as a real-book thus making the Ebook 15-20€ (~20-25 Dollars) in price which is just too much.

I also think that Copyrights are to long. 50 Years or by some ideas of the EU 70 Years are just rediculous. 3-5 years works just fine because in the Book sector most people pirate anyway Books which are older then that because you cant get them anywhere. A webbased distribution would also never run out of copys .

So in my oppinion it summs up at this: Reasonable prices + good web based shops = very big parts of bookpirating gone. Money goes directly to the artist + the artist keeps all his rights = everyone satisfied.

[Fishersalwaysdie]

I enjoyed piracy, but I have moved on. Now I block ads and visit buildings in my neighbourhood removing flyers from their mailboxes and their doorknobs.

[Tormy]

I thought that the site is not even operating already, but I was wrong.