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[pokute]

I think they should be sentenced hard

the name pirate bay suggests it already: the place was deliberatly built for shady business

So if they had named themselves the Happy Sunshine Bay, then the courts would have to stick with examining the facts in the case and ruling by the law?

[Yanlin]

Considering they actually have evidence they're doing copyright violation there?

Not to mention the purpose is clear. Piracy.

So yes. They'd have to prove he's doing piracy before suing him. Just like they did with Napster or whatever that was called.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Cannot believe i am gonna say this, but:

I agree completely with Yanlin, even if he is an athiest.....

Crime is crime.

Almost everyone file shares.

Not everyone.

[zagabar]

Last I heard anything, the swedish case was possibly going to retrial since the judge likely should have recused himself but didn't bother (he's a member of several organizations promoting stronger corporate IP rights legislation, where all the plaintiffs' lawyers are also members).

They tried to make a retrial but failed. (I live in sweden)

[zagabar]

Considering they actually have evidence they're doing copyright violation there?

Not to mention the purpose is clear. Piracy.

So yes. They'd have to prove he's doing piracy before suing him. Just like they did with Napster or whatever that was called.

They arent doing copyright violation there. The users are. Not the hosters. There is no law against creating a file sharing site. There is no law against calling it what you want (like piratebay). It doesn't matter if they even encourages it. By LAW there is only the users who makes the copy that are by LAW responsible for crimes.

Besides, these guys got faaar more punishment than serial rapists, child abusers and killers. That only proves how powerful money is and how far the lobbyist has come. Pathetic

[Yanlin]

Considering they actually have evidence they're doing copyright violation there?

Not to mention the purpose is clear. Piracy.

So yes. They'd have to prove he's doing piracy before suing him. Just like they did with Napster or whatever that was called.

They arent doing copyright violation there. The users are. Not the hosters. There is no law against creating a file sharing site. There is no law against calling it what you want (like piratebay). It doesn't matter if they even encourages it. By LAW there is only the users who makes the copy that are by LAW responsible for crimes.

Besides, these guys got faaar more punishment than serial rapists, child abusers and killers. That only proves how powerful money is and how far the lobbyist has come. Pathetic

So let me get this straight.

If I open a free brothel, it's the customers that should get arrested and not me?

Cannot believe i am gonna say this, but:

I agree completely with Yanlin, even if he is an athiest.....

I find this HIGHLY insulting. It is a GRAVE insult to my intelligence that you'd agree or disagree on something based off the other person's beliefs on an unrelated matter.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

as a funny man once said,

"Its a joke people!"

editted due to comments not relating to anything constructive - Gorjo

[Yanlin]

Sure doesn't sound like a joke. A smiley face does not instantly turn it into a joke.

Religion is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

[Antioch]

actually opening a brothel is perfectly legal where I live, but that is not the point.

It is more like opening a cafe and getting arrested because some criminals always come to your bar discussing illegal acts.

[pokute]

If I open a free brothel, it's the customers that should get arrested and not me?

I'm gonna say you're trolling and call it a day.
I hope to god you don't seriously think that's a good analogy for this situation.

[Yanlin]

Let's say I buy a bunch of books and start copying them, then giving away all copies for free.

Should the people getting the books be arrested, or me?

[Antioch]

Let's say I buy a bunch of books and start copying them, then giving away all copies for free.

Should the people getting the books be arrested, or me?

that is not what they are doing!

they have torrent website, a torrent is a perfectly legal way of transfering data.
if the piratebay hosted only legal contents would it be legal? yes
now who are the people placing illegal content on the site? the users
should the piratebay be convicted for what there users are placing on their site? NO

[pokute]

I really don't think Yanlin understands the underlying bittorrent technology.

Let's say you start a booksharing forum where people post and discuss what interesting books they have in their OWN homes.  People then start using that information to borrow books from each other and photocopying them.  Should you be arrested, thrown in jail, and given a fine you couldn't possibly pay back in your life time?

[Akroma]

the piratebay users have the responsibility to check their content for legality

if they don't search and delete illegal content, they are just making the exchange possible and easy

[Davion]

that is not what they are doing!

they have torrent website, a torrent is a perfectly legal way of transfering data.
if the piratebay hosted only legal contents would it be legal? yes
now who are the people placing illegal content on the site? the users
should the piratebay be convicted for what there users are placing on their site? NO

The Pirate Bay is responsible for the content of their site, if they didn't want illegal content on their site all they would have to do is remove it.

It's pretty obvious that they wanted, and thrived on the illegal content, especially for their advertising.