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[Muz]

Lol, I've only seen one tolerant religious discussion in a forum. I'm proud of everyone who hangs out there.

Personally, my only beef with athiests, feminists, and homosexual rights supporters (not homosexuals themselves) is that they tend to be intolerant. Gays are fine.. I have a lot of gay friends, what it annoys me when someone yells at me for not wanting to attend some gay rights parade. If your gay, that's fine, but don't force me to fight for your cause. Same with feminists. I could say something as simple as "my girlfriend is making dinner f- " and she'll cut me off and insult me for being a jerk whose girlfriend does everything for him.

As with atheists.. let's put it this way. I could tell a Buddhist or pagan friend that I can't eat the meal he served me because it's against my religion. And he'll be, "oh, fine, I understand." In fact, I hang out with many other friends after a prayer and discuss the differences in our religions like mature people.

With atheists, if I say I can't eat it, he glares at me. If I say I'm going off to pray, he takes it as a grave insult and gives me a rant about why God doesn't exist and why I'm stupid for believing in such things. And starts giving me theories, speeches, etc about why I'm stupid and my religion is stupid. I avoid them simply because I don't want to get into a fight. I do like the quiet, tolerant atheists, though.

To go with with what Akroma said:

I can't tolerate intolerance

[Ampersand]

I'd never do that. Nev-ar. Why? Because it's rude, that's why. Why do I think that's rude? Because I am ultimately the person who decides what is moral and immoral to me, and I find it immoral to be rude to people for no good reason. If someone says they must stop talking to me because it's time for them to pray, I say, You Sir, have a nice time. I'm going to go play videogames now.

[MrWiggles]

I'd never do that. Nev-ar. Why? Because it's rude, that's why. Why do I think that's rude? Because I am ultimately the person who decides what is moral and immoral to me, and I find it immoral to be rude to people for no good reason. If someone says they must stop talking to me because it's time for them to pray, I say, You Sir, have a nice time. I'm going to go play videogames now.

My sense of humor dictates that I should inform them I was going to go masturbate anyhow. Depending on the prior relationship, I might curtail it.

[Gantolandon]

First, to have no one saying anything about what religion someone else is.  If you can't say anything supportive, or asking for support, just don't post.

Can I at least don't agree?

I can assume that a religious person doesn't want an atheistic rant when he goes to a church. Or is going to pray. Or explains he can't do something because it's against some tenets of his religion. Also I would expect he won't try to convert me in a casual conversation.

What really ticks me off? It's when someone manifests his opinion on a forum, then refuses to debate. Wait, what the fuck? Why someone, who had tried to pummel his opinion about faith before, should have right to suddenly yell "IT'S MY OPINION! RESPECT IT, YOU INTOLERANT DICK!"? I don't really understand, why somebody should create a thread explicitly about religion, state his opinion, then retreat behind a shield of tolerance when he doesn't receive enough support.

[Duke 2.0]

Lol, I've only seen one tolerant religious discussion in a forum. I'm proud of everyone who hangs out there.

Personally, my only beef with athiests, feminists, and homosexual rights supporters (not homosexuals themselves) is that they tend to be intolerant. Gays are fine.. I have a lot of gay friends, what it annoys me when someone yells at me for not wanting to attend some gay rights parade. If your gay, that's fine, but don't force me to fight for your cause. Same with feminists. I could say something as simple as "my girlfriend is making dinner f- " and she'll cut me off and insult me for being a jerk whose girlfriend does everything for him.

As with atheists.. let's put it this way. I could tell a Buddhist or pagan friend that I can't eat the meal he served me because it's against my religion. And he'll be, "oh, fine, I understand." In fact, I hang out with many other friends after a prayer and discuss the differences in our religions like mature people.

With atheists, if I say I can't eat it, he glares at me. If I say I'm going off to pray, he takes it as a grave insult and gives me a rant about why God doesn't exist and why I'm stupid for believing in such things. And starts giving me theories, speeches, etc about why I'm stupid and my religion is stupid. I avoid them simply because I don't want to get into a fight. I do like the quiet, tolerant atheists, though.

To go with with what Akroma said:

I can't tolerate intolerance

I applaud your ability to type what I feel. Then again, you likely didn't do that in the middle of the night.

 And when it comes to morality, explaining oneself fully would be like teaching somebody Algebra. It would just take too long with too many side-routes and disagreements to really be done over the Internet.

 However, I do dislike people who believe things without really thinking about it, like religious people who are religious because their parents are, or non-religious people who take the simplest approach of understanding what specific beliefs are about. Know everything I am spiritual in I have thought of long and hard.

[LegoLord]

First, to have no one saying anything about what religion someone else is.  If you can't say anything supportive, or asking for support, just don't post.

Can I at least don't agree?

I can assume that a religious person doesn't want an atheistic rant when he goes to a church. Or is going to pray. Or explains he can't do something because it's against some tenets of his religion. Also I would expect he won't try to convert me in a casual conversation.

What really ticks me off? It's when someone manifests his opinion on a forum, then refuses to debate. Wait, what the fuck? Why someone, who had tried to pummel his opinion about faith before, should have right to suddenly yell "IT'S MY OPINION! RESPECT IT, YOU INTOLERANT DICK!"? I don't really understand, why somebody should create a thread explicitly about religion, state his opinion, then retreat behind a shield of tolerance when he doesn't receive enough support.

Because the religious debates are pointless:  No matter how much reason someone has for believing something, the discussion all ways turns sour - someone not just trying to make someone think critically, but actively trying to change what they think.  There are both atheists and religious people who will make this offense.  Frankly, it is not your business what another person believes, as long as they aren't trying to convert you.  I've already thought about my religion plenty, and don't need someone trying to push me through that process.  It's one you must go through on your own, by your own will, and by your own thoughts.  The thoughts of others are useless in such an issue, because they are not you.

[Duke 2.0]

 Although one needs to admit, different thoughts makes ones view on the world wider than being constrained by themselves. Still, people who force ideas on you are in effect making sure their ideas are the only ones going in and getting accepted.

[Gantolandon]

Because the religious debates are pointless:  No matter how much reason someone has for believing something, the discussion all ways turns sour - someone not just trying to make someone think critically, but actively trying to change what they think.

Every debate is pointless. Can you remember any discussion, where somebody actually became convinced of something?

There are both atheists and religious people who will make this offense.  Frankly, it is not your business what another person believes, as long as they aren't trying to convert you.  I've already thought about my religion plenty, and don't need someone trying to push me through that process.  It's one you must go through on your own, by your own will, and by your own thoughts.  The thoughts of others are useless in such an issue, because they are not you.

Yes, and claiming "My belief is not your business" is the most reasonable way in my opinion. You may also try to discuss it, but then you're a fair game to every atheist who wants to contradict what you say (and vice versa). What's ridiculous is actually taking part in a discussion, then backing out, screaming "IT'S MY BELIEF LA LA LA I'M NOT HEARING ANYTHING YOU SAY" -  then calling intolerant anyone who wish to continue the discussion.

[Yanlin]

Yeah. Seriously. Every time I ask people to think they pull that one and call me satan or something.

[LegoLord]

Excuse me, but I didn't want to discuss my beliefs.  People attacked them, making assumptions to know why I believed what I do, and they did that to others as well.  I was more than willing to state my beliefs, not the reasoning, which as I said is a personal matter.  They sought to contradict me, to force their own ideas on me.  Yet their ideas do not work for me, just as mine would not work for them.

No one called you satan, Yanlin.  They just told you to back off and be civil.

[Gantolandon]

Excuse me, but I didn't want to discuss my beliefs.

Um, I don't accuse you about anything. I really have problems how to put it into words, but I'll try anyway.

You propably didn't, and from what I see, you claimed it's a personal choice all the time. Good. The problem is that there were other people who did exactly that I were writing about: they started to support their position, then backed out and called intolerant everyone who dared to oppose them. And it seems to me you treated them as the poor, opposed minority, which deserves for their own thread, where no one is allowed to contradict them.

Yeah. Seriously. Every time I ask people to think they pull that one and call me satan or something.

Do you complain that you took a part of a discussion and someone disagreed with you?

[LegoLord]

No, most of the other people likewise accusing others of being intolerant were also merely stating their beliefs.  Either that, or they didn't come across their experience with intolerance on this forum.

[Yanlin]

Yeah. Seriously. Every time I ask people to think they pull that one and call me satan or something.

Do you complain that you took a part of a discussion and someone disagreed with you?

No. I complain that some"one" refused to think and called me satan.

[Gorjo MacGrymm]

Tolerance?  Its what we all probably do without actually conceptualizing it just to get by.

I honestly want to get along with everyone and be happy and live in a world where everyone smiles.  I think everyone else does to.  Then real life starts to get in the way; the competition for resources and our natural instincts war with our logic and moral centers.  This conflict within us is then translated outward towards others, often times others who are far more similar to ourselves then we would wish it.

I want to be friends with everyone, but I have found I am incapable of being friends with everyone, due to my own limitations, and that sucks.  So I try even harder, and the effort I put forth unkowingly migrates into a subconcious entitlement from others - they must recognize how hard I am trying to be their friend!  This entitlement turns into resentment which then becomes my own personal "wrath of god" upon some poor person who unknowingly annoyed me.  At this point I step back, speak to a peer concerning my problem, look for a solution to move forward, and start again trying to befriend everyone.  I guess that makes me insane, as I keep trying to do the same thing over and over without success.  This statement also is a good generalization of most internet religion threads, as well as other topics that tend to flame out.

We can try and try to get along and tolerate each other.  But then someone says/does something that makes our hackles rise.  We think they are wrong.  They think we are wrong, etc.  Usually, in my experience, what makes our "hackles rise" is an internal issue we have with ourselves, not the outward stimuli.  The outward stimuli just brings that issue we have with ourselves into focus for us.  I my case, I react with either shame/guilt/fear etc which then manifests itself as anger.  It is far easier then to project that anger upon the person who offered the original stimulus.  I am in imperfect being.  So, I dedicate myself to the principle of "progress, not perfection."

Did any of this make sense?  lol

GMcG
(often a raging hypocrit!)

[Yanlin]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/616-50-Cent-Blood-on-the-Sand

This review, he says some good stuff about tolerance.