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Indra

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Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« on: May 02, 2009, 02:57:48 pm »

Without magma (want to keep the items :p).

Have a habit of killing off dwarves that have negative personality traits. When I was a newbie player, usually just sent them hunting bare-handed, hoping they get injured someway, then I put the forbid tag on the buckets (if any).

Next for entertainment reasons, I sent them into big rooms filled with goblins I trapped, but in the long run, cage management gets really tiring (especially with mountain goats dropping in all the time), plus some goblins have a bad habit of not killing of unconsious ones.

Basically now I'm stuck with either locking them up in a room and starving them to death, or just leave them be and send them forward as fodder when a goblin assault team paasses by.

Haven't really experimented much on traps (not quite sure why either), so any suggestions are appreciated. As always, thank you very much.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2009, 03:01:41 pm »

Engineer a cave-in over them.

Build an overhang using a constructed ramp, a constructed wall, and a constructed floor tile. Build a lever beneath the floor tile. Set the lever's workshop profile to the dwarf you want to kill. Set Pull lever on repeat.

Deconstruct the wall.

Note: Do this outside, or in an area where there is a solid layer of rock below. You don't want a giant hole punched through your fortress.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2009, 03:02:15 pm »

A maximum z-level (depending on map) pit. Station dwarf on bridge over pit. Pull lever. Collect items.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2009, 03:04:08 pm »

I guess the quickest and simplest way would be a spiketrap, in a 1x1 room, accessible by a door.

Draft that one dwarf and put em in that single tile, lock the door, have somebody else pull the lever linked to the spikes repeatedly.

I dont know whether or not you can put any furniture on a spike trap, because you'll need a different approach for nobles, I guess.(quick question... can you assign nobles to pull levers?)

Or just look up http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Irrigation (the reservoir part). I'm sure you can build a drowning chamber with that.

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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2009, 04:29:26 pm »

(quick question... can you assign nobles to pull levers?)

Yes, just modify the lever's profile ([P] menu) to only allow the noble you want to lure.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2009, 04:38:56 pm »

a 5 level drop on to spikes and water whive go way out.

if the fall and the spikes fail than thay drown/bleed out/die from lack of food.

just mke sure that you do a good job or you get them doing even less work and takeing up more time for the next couple of years/forever.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2009, 05:16:22 pm »

For nobles/children, you can make a 3x3 room with a bed assigned them in the centre and spike traps on the perimeter. Wait for him to go to his room, lock him in and pull the lever repeatedly. He'll wander on to the traps eventually.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2009, 06:12:41 pm »

 Spike traps if you already have mechanisims, mechanics and something spear-like in stock.

 Cave-ins if you have extra picks.

 Construction cave-ins would work best here. Just lock them in an outside room with a wall supporting a floor segment, channels forcing the hapless dwarf to deconstruct it from the side with the overhang.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2009, 06:45:02 pm »

Find the highest drop on your map. Build a 1-tile bridge at the top of that drop. Order a wall to be built on the other side of the bridge. Use Dwarf Manager to turn off masonry on all dwarves except the offender.

If you have such a spot existing on your map, this is easily one of the fastest way to kill off a dwarf.

Doesn't work with some nobles, though.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2009, 06:57:02 pm »

It depends.

Fastest (for you) would be cave-in.

Fastest (for dwarf) would be one of instant deaths (depending on game mechanics). I believe it would be 1 z-level fall in bottomless pit, but it could be also freezing in water or embeding in obsidian.

Fastest (when cheating) would be nuclear dwarf-splosion.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2009, 07:50:33 pm »

You want 3 things: selectivity (to get the right dwarf, and only them, on demand), simplicity of construction, and (as much as possible), convenience for recovery of items. 

That takes anything elaborate such as drowning chambers out, unless you already have them - drainage, grates, etc - too much effort.  3 mechanisms is minimum (one for lever, two to connect it to the object in question) - so let's shoot for that.

If it can serve double duty as defense, so much the better. 

Activating the dwarf as military can then < s >tation them anywhere - that's the easy part.

If you have a long drop, then, as suggested above, a retracting bridge over that is the way.  If you don't, then digging one is fairly easy.  As mentioned, add the spike to the bottom to make sure - that does sound like the best on all points (no pun intended).

If you can put this near your entrance, possibly incorporate it into the path that siegers might take (or that you can force them to take), then it's win/win.

One other way would be to link an existing weapon trap to a mechanism, but that takes it out of the defense (unless you also link it to a pressure plate, but that gets back to being more complicated.)  Also the occasional jam, could make other dwarves queezy to clean up.

Other traps, such as drowning or wild beasts, might be more entertaining to construct and employ, but that's personal pref.

(This is a really good idea, btw - no cat lovers, no slackers, no heavy drinkers.  Trick is to get to them before they make any friends - which often has already happened on the walk from the map edge to the fortress.  Meh - the new migrants should get over it.)
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2009, 01:20:17 am »

Unless your dealing with artefacts you can get all their items off them by dumping  them, that way you can still use magma to kill him.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2009, 01:33:51 am »

i've lately been assigning them to be the sole 'miner' in my fort, then have them dig 1 Z level below a tree then the tile directly below the tree designate it as a RAMP rather then mine it out normally.

It seems the tree comes down on top of the dwarf, killing it instantly every time i've done it so far via a 'cave in'.....

i do it this way cause it takes almost no space or work/planning, your results may vary though
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2009, 03:48:35 am »

Bridge crushing/launching.
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Re: Quickest way to kill a dwarf?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2009, 05:36:45 am »

Engineer a cave-in over them.

Build an overhang using a constructed ramp, a constructed wall, and a constructed floor tile. Build a lever beneath the floor tile. Set the lever's workshop profile to the dwarf you want to kill. Set Pull lever on repeat.

Deconstruct the wall.

Note: Do this outside, or in an area where there is a solid layer of rock below. You don't want a giant hole punched through your fortress.

I did something similar with a Glassmaker who claimed a glass furnace despite me having no sand, so i dug out the roof above him and dropped it on him.

And then i realised my magma channels were below that workshop.

And my throne room was below them.

And my residential district was below that.


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