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Michaelsoftman

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Re: One item embark
« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2009, 09:06:40 pm »

Mod cats so they only cost 1 point at embark.

Buy as many as possible, should be above 1800 cats.

LET THEM BREED.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2009, 09:09:25 pm »

Pick. Which makes rocks. Which makes buildings. Which makes trade goods. Which makes profit. Which makes the ability to buy the axe if an immigrant woodcutter doesn't come. Even without beds a tantrum spiral usually doesn't happen until winter for me and I almost always get a spare axe by fall.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2009, 09:51:03 pm »

Mod cats so they only cost 1 point at embark.

Buy as many as possible, should be above 1800 cats.

LET THEM BREED.

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Re: One item embark
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2009, 09:58:20 pm »

With 1 item, you have to wait for the caravan for something - need a pick to get stone and an axe, can't cut wood without an axe, can't forge a new weapon without an anvil, can't do it all with just one.

There's a "minimalist build" in the wiki - 1 anvil & 2 copper nuggets - and that's everything you need to be self sufficient.  Even without any caravan, you can build your entire fortress starting with just that.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2009, 10:00:28 pm »

There's a "minimalist build" in the wiki - 1 anvil & 2 copper nuggets - and that's everything you need to be self sufficient.  Even without any caravan, you can build your entire fortress starting with just that.

Not if you embark on a glacier. :(

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Re: One item embark
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2009, 10:13:25 pm »

well, glacier+magma is fun, especialy when the imps come out to play :)
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2009, 10:31:11 pm »

If I cannot bring a pick or an axe...

I choose war dogs. With the three wagon logs I can make a butcher shop, a tanner, a leatherworker, a craftshop, and a kitchen. I can eat any puppies (I've modded my dogs to give birth to 10 at a time), and use the bones and leather to make crafts which I can sell. I'll let a few dogs mature to defend the fort and give birth to more puppies.

Of course, if I didn't mod my dogs to make tons of babies, I would bring a crapload of wood or stone to make an above ground fortress and start selling food.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2009, 02:24:23 am »

There's a "minimalist build" in the wiki - 1 anvil & 2 copper nuggets - and that's everything you need to be self sufficient.  Even without any caravan, you can build your entire fortress starting with just that.

Not if you embark on a glacier. :(

You really need nothing of this. On most of locations you can buy/steal everything. And there, where you can not (glacier), you would propably not survive with pick only.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2009, 02:34:26 am »

Not if you embark on a glacier. :(

Well, not if you embark anywhere with no trees, no, agreed.

But embarking on a glacier is asking for abuse.  Might as well duct-tape a jar of vaseline above your bum and grab your ankles, frog hopping backwards at the gobbos, shouting "Bugger me! Bugger me!" 

You get what you ask for.  :-\
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2009, 04:55:17 am »

War Dogs; a supurb supply of food and i can raid the nearby Goblin Towers for some useful Goblinite Ore.

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Re: One item embark
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2009, 11:55:41 am »

Pickaxe gets my vote.  Since I could only take one item type, may as well make them steel pickaxes and bring one for each dwarf, for defence.  I can quite easily defend myself with traps alone, and I can build a fairly good fortress with my standing Mining Army.  Who needs bins when you have 1000s of stockpile places?

Then I'd just buy an axe and everything else using the mugs I'd made in the first 6 months.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2009, 12:38:22 pm »

Obvious choices:

Pick: dig, build, craft, trade.
Axe: chop down trees, wear high heels, build, craft, trade.
Other weapon: disassemble wagon, build, hunt, craft, cook, trade.
Sharp stone (Obsidian): build, craft, disassemble wagon, make a sword, hunt, craft, cook, trade.
Stone: build, craft, trade.
Wood: build, craft, trade.


Less obvious choices:

Plants/Meat/Fish/Booze/Cheese/Cookable Extracts: disassemble wagon, build, cook, trade.
Animals: disassemble wagon, build, breed, slaughter, craft, cook, trade.
Leather/Cloth: disassemble wagon, build, craft, trade.
Thread: disassemble wagon, build, weave, craft, trade.


Really weird things:

Rest: disassemble wagon, forage, (cook,) trade.


Very strange things:

Nothing: disassemble wagon, build, forage, cook, trade.



After the trading (and a pick/axe/anvil, source of coal, nuggets) things will be easier.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2009, 12:48:51 pm »

Obvious choices:

Pick: dig, build, craft, trade.
Axe: chop down trees, wear high heels, build, craft, trade.
Other weapon: disassemble wagon, build, hunt, craft, cook, trade.
Sharp stone (Obsidian): build, craft, disassemble wagon, make a sword, hunt, craft, cook, trade.
Stone: build, craft, trade.
Wood: build, craft, trade.


Less obvious choices:

Plants/Meat/Fish/Booze/Cheese/Cookable Extracts: disassemble wagon, build, cook, trade.
Animals: disassemble wagon, build, breed, slaughter, craft, cook, trade.
Leather/Cloth: disassemble wagon, build, craft, trade.
Thread: disassemble wagon, build, weave, craft, trade.


Really weird things:

Rest: disassemble wagon, forage, (cook,) trade.


Very strange things:

Nothing: disassemble wagon, build, forage, cook, trade.



After the trading (and a pick/axe/anvil, source of coal, nuggets) things will be easier.
Yeah, it's perfectly possible to survive a no item embark, providing huntable animals and herbs are plentiful, and you manage to get essentials from arriving caravans.  It may even be possible to "Embark now!" but that would be even tougher.
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2009, 01:51:47 pm »

Picks, I can mine out a fortress, construct all sorts of stuff, wait for an ambush/seige and steal axes from the invaders and go on from there.

Simple enough.

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Then again, my dwarves won't have any beds to sleep on, but they could have tables and chairs, and legendary dining halls. I can even carve out some rock swords and such for some sort of defense.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2009, 02:12:52 pm by Itnetlolor »
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Re: One item embark
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2009, 02:34:48 pm »

Yeah, it's perfectly possible to survive a no item embark, providing huntable animals and herbs are plentiful, and you manage to get essentials from arriving caravans.

3 wood from your wagon to shuffle around and alternate between whatever (non-flame) workshops you need at the time.  Trade Depot come Autumn.  This would be a very thin proposition. 

Still wouldn't be needed unless one of those 3 wood becomes a barrel - a single barrel.  Maybe worth it to keep morale up - maybe necessary.

Butchery/Tannery/Leatherworks for those animals your dwarfs wrestle to death.  A couple bags for gathering seeds, maybe some armor, and some AG farmplots.  Meanwhile, deconstruct the butchery for a Kitchen to make some tallow biscuits to stretch the food.  Maybe a farmer's workshop for short periods, depending on the crops you find.

A lot of idlers - would sacrificing one wood for a bed, to then designate a (outdoors?) barracks so you can train them be worth it?  (Without much armour, that one bed will soon be occupied by wounded - but without training, it will soon be so anyway when the natives grow restless.)  What about a bucket for those wounded - that'd be another wood...

Ouch. This would be tough, and hardly guaranteed, but possible. 

Anyone up for the challenge?



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