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[Psyco Jelly]

I can't say anything for the accuracy of any of my prophecies, but I had a prophetic dream last night.

I saw that nature will reclaim most of the Earth, and complex human civilization will almost cease to be. There will be few humans, and they will live in tiny villages scattered all across the globe, and will be separated by wilderness. The tiny villages will all be dedicated to scientific and philosophical advancement.

In each village, there will exist a biological supercomputer which will utilize viral RNA to spread extremely complex messages to other parts of itself, and electric signals to spread messages to other supercomputers. Government will cease to be of importance, since humans will be intelligent enough to handle problems themselves, and nice enough to not horde resources.

The supercomputers will spread through seeds, roughly the size of a football, and are nurtured and prepared by humans, and taught by other supercomputers.

Each village will also have a number of gardens, in towers so it doesn't spoil the natural beauty of the world. This is where food is grown. Meat will not be mass produced since it is an unnecessary part of life, but it could be acquired for tradition or personal preference.

It was absolutely beautiful. That's my idea of a perfect society, and it doesn't intrude on the natural world. My only question is what happened to all the other humans? I'd guess that some sort of mass genocide, or possibly colonization of other planets drew them away.

What's funny is that I witnessed this from the perspective of a supercomputer, not of a human.

[MrWiggles]

First what a horribly scary story. 9 billion gone. No one else shudders?

I can't say anything for the accuracy of any of my prophecies, but I had a prophetic dream last night.

Okay dokie. This statement seem to be in contradiction of earlier belief of you thinking that inspiration is of the gods. So it can't be your prophecies.

I saw that nature will reclaim most of the Earth, and complex human civilization will almost cease to be. There will be few humans, and they will live in tiny villages scattered all across the globe, and will be separated by wilderness. The tiny villages will all be dedicated to scientific and philosophical advancement.

And then morlocks come up and eat them.

In each village, there will exist a biological supercomputer which will utilize viral RNA to spread extremely complex messages to other parts of itself, and electric signals to spread messages to other supercomputers.

The supercomputers will spread through seeds, roughly the size of a football, and are nurtured and prepared by humans, and taught by other supercomputers.

To vague to speak to. It doesn't sound correct though. I fairly sure that rna can't handle germination. Or that it be better to use use dna.

Government will cease to be of importance, since humans will be intelligent enough to handle problems themselves, and nice enough to not horde resources.

Government are humans handling problems. Government exist out of a need to organize and divide labor of lots of humans with limited resources.  Resource gathering and in some case hoarding isn't because human are mean. It preservation of the group. Human evolved a knack for self competition. It keeps the species lively. Most other species compete with each other, but for human it our sole competition. If everyone in the same group, then this lessen resource competition. Or change it for internal competition for whats there.

Each village will also have a number of gardens, in towers so it doesn't spoil the natural beauty of the world. This is where food is grown. Meat will not be mass produced since it is an unnecessary part of life, but it could be acquired for tradition or personal preference.

Plausible. Vegan diets are restricted and can be severely lacking calorific content. Should not be used for growing children. It dangerous.

It was absolutely beautiful. That's my idea of a perfect society, and it doesn't intrude on the natural world. My only question is what happened to all the other humans? I'd guess that some sort of mass genocide, or possibly colonization of other planets drew them away.

What's funny is that I witnessed this from the perspective of a supercomputer, not of a human.

Human building cities and farm can't be consider intruding on the natural world. It only difference from bird nest, or wood peckers killing tree, or beaver dams is scale. With in our nature to do so. If we didn't, majority of human would die do to exposure and various crappy way to shorten human life. It not wrong to build cities. We have to. Human have either found shelter or created it since we became cognitive.

Your perfect world seem seem more apoplectic then utopia. Which to require harsh population control then what china utilizes to keep the population that small. Which would suggest mortality rate is incredibly high, mandatory sterilization (possibly vocher for parent hood?) No more fizerilious pursuits? Only sci and philo? No more movies, music, games, plays and radio/tv? How empty.

And the possible reason for human to choose (assuming it is a choice) to live in separate small commune, aren't looking great. Class separation, ideology separation? Scary.

Crime rates can never be at zero, there are those who simply wish to be a criminal as they find it entertaining, and those through genetic predisposition (sociopaths), so perhaps remodeling the human genoe, or prenatal examination and abortion? Perhaps mandatory empathy engorment?

Very scary, I dont know what animal is living in this future, it is not homo sapient sapient.

There also the implication that our current society is completely wrong. Which also annoys me greaty, but one wall o text is probably to much anyhow.

[Psyco Jelly]

I found it a very nice place for the short duration I was in it. The People were nothing like Eloi. These people were smart. Also, my description seems vague because the dream was vague, I'm not sure exactly how these things work. There'd have to be DNA for it to grow and reproduce, but again, I'm not sure.

The people there were obviously human, though they seemed to a have a pleasant glow to them. The dream didn't concern why there were so few people or what happened to the rest, but it didn't seem to matter to me. I like that world, you may not.

Also, about the contradiction of me thinking inspiration is of the gods, certainly not all inspiration is of the gods. This may or may not be, but I'm thinking of writing a short story about this world, but I'd have to find a good conflict.

[MrWiggles]

How do you authenticate it from gods?

[Psyco Jelly]

There are a number of ways to answer that question.

1. The god or gods in question do not wish to be known, so they implant dreams and thoughts like these in humans for some greater end. This would be impossible to differentiate from an ordinary experience.

2. The god or gods in question outright tell you that it's divine. This seems highly unlikely, since you'd have to be a brick to need this.

3. The god or gods in question send out a number of subtle hints of their work. This is where it could be either, just perceived divine works or actual ones.

4. The god or gods in question don't care whether or not anyone picks up on it. This could also be the case.

5. It's an ordinary experience, it could be perceived as ordinary or divine.


That pretty much sums it up. I have a feeling it's either 3 or 5.


You are a very intelligent and inquisitive man. I enjoy these discussions, but, sadly, it's getting late. I won't have internet access for a week from tomorrow. I'll be offline in an hour.

[MrWiggles]

So you can't demonstrate it?

And also, thank you. As am I.

[Psyco Jelly]

Some of these, I can't by definition give an example of.

The reasons I think it may be divine:

It was abnormally vivid.
I can actually remember it in detail.
I had prayed for a vision before sleeping.
It fits nicely with my major concepts.
    (Natural beauty and the preservation thereof; Intellectual development; Ambition with which to pursue things such as knowledge and happiness; a generally good backdrop for human development; and a place with many outlets for free expression.)

Why it may be ordinary:

It could be a product of my mind.


Now there is only one reason on the second list, but it's a pretty damn big one. Then again, all of 'reality' could be a product of my mind and I'm sitting in a straitjacket in the corner of a sanitarium.

[Yanlin]

Right, if you guys don't mind, I'll be leaving this thread. Have fun.