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[MrWiggles]

May he be remembered.

[Hawkfrost]

I myself am a polytheistic pagan, who believes that gods, as we call them, are neither omnipotent nor omniscient. I think that they influence our actions indirectly, as well as disguise their works as explainable phenomena.

How about you?

Do you see the gods/spirits as forces of nature, as individuals, or a collective group of spirits governing the same ideals?

[MrWiggles]

Oh, sorry. I missed the question in the OP.

I'm secular humanist with a scientific skeptical outlook.

Humans. We get shit done.

[LegoLord]

I see things in a way similar to Psyco Jelly, only with a single omnipotent thing indirectly affecting us, not necessarily at all times, and allowing us to go free reign rather than smother us, and making sure that there are constants that allow us to learn rather than changing things all the time to make things better.

But I accept the fact that I could be wrong.

[Psyco Jelly]

I guess you could say I use it to explain the unexplainable, but I acknowledge that most things happen with no greater purpose guiding them.

I link to think of humans as specks of dust in a sea of chaos, with these god-spirits being flows of wind, rocks on which to settle, or anything really more significant that dust.

Now when something nearly unfathomable happens with no discernible cause, that couldn't be a divine act since said divinity would most likely be smart enough to disguise it, and the failing comes from our limited understanding.

I was raised as a Southern Baptist, changed over to agnostic, and after a series of very revealing dreams and meditation sessions, I came to where I am now. I believe that divinity would reveal itself to you if it wanted to be known, and it revealed itself to me.

Now it could be a product of my subconscious, but I'm led to believe otherwise.

[MrWiggles]

I guess you could say I use it to explain the unexplainable, but I acknowledge that most things happen with no greater purpose guiding them.

You have to admit that a contradiction. I cannot not explain it. Therefore I can explain it. Also, unexplained doesn't mean unexplainable.

I link to think of humans as specks of dust in a sea of chaos, with these god-spirits being flows of wind, rocks on which to settle, or anything really more significant that dust.

Now when something nearly unfathomable happens with no discernible cause, that couldn't be a divine act since said divinity would most likely be smart enough to disguise it, and the failing comes from our limited understanding.

Though neat and poetic. I never got this. Could you expand on why nature needs whimsy to be magnificent? I've caught myself staring at sun sets, moon halos and even empty lot seeing the earth being displaced by erosion or huge ass truck tires, seeing the complicated pattern made in the earth. It gets my imagination going.

I just don't need fairies in my garden to see how colorful the flowers are.

I was raised as a Southern Baptist, changed over to agnostic, and after a series of very revealing dreams and meditation sessions, I came to where I am now. I believe that divinity would reveal itself to you if it wanted to be known, and it revealed itself to me.

Now it could be a product of my subconscious, but I'm led to believe otherwise.

Self Reevaluation. This isn't an attack on you. This is my personal feeling towards this believing. It blaming the victim. You haven't done X enough and that why you aren't enlightened. And blaming the victim is just bad.

[Psyco Jelly]

Though neat and poetic. I never got this. Could you expand on why nature needs whimsy to be magnificent? I've caught myself staring at sun sets, moon halos and even empty lot seeing the earth being displaced by erosion or huge ass truck tires, seeing the complicated pattern made in the earth. It gets my imagination going.

I just don't need fairies in my garden to see how colorful the flowers are.

I never said that nature needs to be whimsy. The tree grew because it's seed germinated. It's so tall because the taller trees survived to reproduce since they could absorb more sunlight.

I guess you could say I use it to explain the unexplainable, but I acknowledge that most things happen with no greater purpose guiding them.

You have to admit that a contradiction. I cannot not explain it. Therefore I can explain it. Also, unexplained doesn't mean unexplainable.

Well I could revise that to explain the unexplained. It's not a contradiction in my logic, just in my words.

I was raised as a Southern Baptist, changed over to agnostic, and after a series of very revealing dreams and meditation sessions, I came to where I am now. I believe that divinity would reveal itself to you if it wanted to be known, and it revealed itself to me.

Now it could be a product of my subconscious, but I'm led to believe otherwise.

Self Reevaluation. This isn't an attack on you. This is my personal feeling towards this believing. It blaming the victim. You haven't done X enough and that why you aren't enlightened. And blaming the victim is just bad.

Wait, what? Who's the victim here? Who's blaming? Done X? Could you please elaborate?

[MrWiggles]

Though neat and poetic. I never got this. Could you expand on why nature needs whimsy to be magnificent? I've caught myself staring at sun sets, moon halos and even empty lot seeing the earth being displaced by erosion or huge ass truck tires, seeing the complicated pattern made in the earth. It gets my imagination going.

I just don't need fairies in my garden to see how colorful the flowers are.

I never said that nature needs to be whimsy. The tree grew because it's seed germinated. It's so tall because the taller trees survived to reproduce since they could absorb more sunlight.

I link to think of humans as specks of dust in a sea of chaos, with these god-spirits being flows of wind, rocks on which to settle, or anything really more significant that dust.

From this. I took from this nature is something more then what there. I apologies if I read into it. But then why say god beings are nature?

I was raised as a Southern Baptist, changed over to agnostic, and after a series of very revealing dreams and meditation sessions, I came to where I am now. I believe that divinity would reveal itself to you if it wanted to be known, and it revealed itself to me.

Now it could be a product of my subconscious, but I'm led to believe otherwise.

Self Reevaluation. This isn't an attack on you. This is my personal feeling towards this believing. It blaming the victim. You haven't done X enough and that why you aren't enlightened. And blaming the victim is just bad.

Wait, what? Who's the victim here? Who's blaming? Done X? Could you please elaborate?
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The victim in this case is the person who looked for god. And that almost everyone. And my spell check failed me. Self revelation >.>

Anyway, The victim is the person who is looking for god. And that almost anyone. Because this Person hasn't done X they don't deserve to be shown divinity.

And its not divinity fault that you haven't been. Its yours.

[Andir]

I was raised as a Southern Baptist, changed over to agnostic, and after a series of very revealing dreams and meditation sessions, I came to where I am now. I believe that divinity would reveal itself to you if it wanted to be known, and it revealed itself to me.

Now it could be a product of my subconscious, but I'm led to believe otherwise.

Self Reevaluation. This isn't an attack on you. This is my personal feeling towards this believing. It blaming the victim. You haven't done X enough and that why you aren't enlightened. And blaming the victim is just bad.

Wait, what? Who's the victim here? Who's blaming? Done X? Could you please elaborate?

Probably that divinity is the goal to obtain.  Anything less than divinity is not enlightened.  That's how I read your post.  As if anyone that doesn't find divinity is somehow inferior.  (Intentional or not)

[Idiom]

I always thought divinity was found. Comes with time as all things regardless of religion or spirituality. People look for it when they have it all along and just never understood.

[Psyco Jelly]

Just because I said that divinity can find you doesn't mean that you can't find divinity. It's not like there are any rules for it. At least none we can understand.

[MrWiggles]

Just because I said that divinity can find you doesn't mean that you can't find divinity. It's not like there are any rules for it. At least none we can understand.

And who this case make the rules for this divinity?

[Hawkfrost]

A curious thought I just had;

Have any of you ever thought that maybe gods are humans that have ascended into the divine, that they broke free of the bonds of humanity and became something more?

[Andir]

A curious thought I just had;

Have any of you ever thought that maybe gods are humans that have ascended into the divine, that they broke free of the bonds of humanity and became something more?

Nope.

[LegoLord]

A curious thought I just had;

Have any of you ever thought that maybe gods are humans that have ascended into the divine, that they broke free of the bonds of humanity and became something more?

It's been thought of before.  I don't know really.  But I don't like the idea of me becoming omnipotent, which I guess is only a reason to follow my own religion without doing anything that would get me divinified if it turned out that thought was right.  I like to er on the side of caution, and just do what it takes to make sure I don't have a screwy afterlife.

Edit:  Don't get me wrong though.  I just hope it doesn't happen to me.