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1 (4%)

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5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

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Total Members Voted: 25

[Pandarsenic]

I know. I just remembered inaluct bruoght that on himself once.

And then lost it for town too.

Did he? :L

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, Dakarian, that did suck.  Then again, it was Org's fault that I lost, not yours.  I probably woulda voted with you just for the sheer ballsiness of that move .

[Mephansteras]

Spoiler: Current Role Matrix (click to show/hide)

name	type	faction	max	weight	psychic	goal	requires	restricted	varients	varientof
Mind Shield	ability	town	2	1	1
Mind Shield	ability	dopp	2	-3	1
Mind Shield	ability	alien	2	1	1
Kook	ability	town	2	-1	0		dopp::any
Townsperson	role	town	100	0	0	survive
Agent	role	town	2	4	0	find
Detective	role	town	2	3	0	find
Telepath	role	town	2	3	1	find
Guardian	role	town	2	4	0	protect				Bodyguard
War Vet	role	town	2	1	0	kill
Bodyguard	role	town	2	1	0	protect			yes
Heroic Guard	role	town	2	1	0	protect				Bodyguard
Observent Guard	role	town	2	1	0	protect				Bodyguard
Vengful Guard	role	town	2	2	0	protect				Bodyguard
Mad Scientist	role	town	2	2	0	survive
Medium	role	town	2	3	1	find
Enchanter	role	town	2	2	1	survive
Psychic Warden	role	town	2	2	1	protect
Vigilante	role	town	2	3	0	kill
Reporter	role	town	2	3	0	find
Doppelganger	role	dopp	100	-1	0	kill
Agent	role	dopp	2	-4	0	find
Detective	role	dopp	2	-6	0	find
Telepath	role	dopp	2	-5	1	find
Guardian	role	dopp	2	-6	0	protect				Bodyguard
Bodyguard	role	dopp	2	-3	0	protect			yes
Heroic Guard	role	dopp	2	-2	0	protect				Bodyguard
Observent Guard	role	dopp	2	-2	0	protect				Bodyguard
Vengful Guard	role	dopp	2	-3	0	protect				Bodyguard
Mad Scientist	role	dopp	2	-4	0	kill
Psychic Warden	role	dopp	2	-4	1	protect
Enchanter	role	dopp	2	-3	1	kill
Reporter	role	dopp	2	-3	0	find
Leader	role	dopp	1	-4	0	kill
Advanced Doppelganger	role	dopp	1	-7	1	kill		cult::any
Vigilante	role	dopp	2	-8	1	kill
War Vet	role	dopp	2	-7	1	kill
Medium	role	dopp	2	-4	1	find
Exterminator	role	alien	1	0	0	kill
Survivor	role	alien	1	0	0	survive	dopp::any
Operative	role	alien	1	0	0	protect	alien::Exterminator
Scientist	role	alien	1	0	0	find	alien::any

[Mephansteras]

So, now that Round 12 is over, are there any issues that people had? Any things we think we need to change?

[forsaken1111]

I think it went pretty well, though we need some clarification on the dead chat medium issue. When I was medium a few games back I was told you must use your forum name in the quickchat and could not 'impersonate' others or use another name to cloak your identity.

[Mephansteras]

Yeah, I think I need to codify the rules on that. Impersonating someone else is obviously right out, and I think the Dead need to post under their own name. I'm not sure if I mind the Mediums posting under obviously fake titles like they did this game. It added a bit to the uncertainty, which I'm usually for.

Thoughts from everyone else?

[forsaken1111]

I think it would be fine if mediums simply posted as a generic 'medium' name so long as it remained constant. No swapping from "Teh Medium" to "Ub3r Med!um" to "some guy in the ether"

[JanusTwoface]

- People should use their real usernames on QuickTopic.  If it's intended to have mediums as anonymous, fixed temp accounts should be arranged.  Otherwise player impersonation becomes a real threat.

I don't this we've actually had this problem.  This time around, the mediums used constant names, so that works out.  I think that if anyone tried to pretend they were someone else, the impostee (is that a word?) would say something and we could root it out.

- Mad Scientist as dopp should probably be bumped up (down?) more.  I'd definately value it a lot over Agent or Detective.

Agreed.  Rather dangerous to have assassin bots in dopp hands.

- We probably need more townies.  Another game with no vanillas...

I still don't think this is a problem.  As long as we either have none or have a fair few we're fine and Meph designed this game to be more role heavy.  This round in particular was better balanced then some of the previous rounds.

[forsaken1111]

- People should use their real usernames on QuickTopic.  If it's intended to have mediums as anonymous, fixed temp accounts should be arranged.  Otherwise player impersonation becomes a real threat.

Yeah I brought that up in the rules thread, and I agree.

- Mad Scientist as dopp should probably be bumped up (down?) more.  I'd definately value it a lot over Agent or Detective.

Agreed

- We probably need more townies.  Another game with no vanillas...

I like the role-heavy games personally. Even if the roles are minor.

- Didn't come up this game, but I'd say Observant and Vengeful Guards are worth a bit more than their current weighting.

Agreed.

Also, webadict - why did you decide to get yourself lynched day 2?  It really wasn't helpful for anything.

Yeah I'd like to know what that was about as well.

[ToonyMan]

Yeah, Dopp Assassin bot helped us win quicker, but I think we could have held our ground without it.  Town had mad crazy roles too.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, Dopp Assassin bot helped us win quicker, but I think we could have held our ground without it.  Town had mad crazy roles too.

Well, you were going down, probably along with dakarian when we worked out he couldn't kill.  As for the other two... well, I guess we'll never know.

[forsaken1111]

Yeah, Dopp Assassin bot helped us win quicker, but I think we could have held our ground without it.  Town had mad crazy roles too.

Well, you were going down, probably along with dakarian when we worked out he couldn't kill.  As for the other two... well, I guess we'll never know.

Don't be coy, you were gonna vote for me.

[Leafsnail]

Nothing would make me switch from confirmed scum at lylo.

[forsaken1111]

I meant after toony

[Leafsnail]

Eh, if dak failed to kill yet again and without a scum roleblocker...