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Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

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Total Members Voted: 25

[JanusTwoface]

Got it.

How many slots for the other aliens then?  (Primarily Scientist and Survivor from my list

[webadict]

But with Plasma Bomb and Personal Shield, we've got a formula for serious BOOM

[Mephansteras]

Well, we obviously have a problem if people are not signing up due to the role set.

I'll look over everything tomorrow, see what I come up with.

[JanusTwoface]

But with Plasma Bomb and Personal Shield, we've got a formula for serious BOOM

Perhaps if the Alien wasn't intrinsically protected from the Plasma Bomb, but the Personal Shield would protect against it?

That way, an Exterminator would have to choose between taking Plasma Bomb and some non-shield item and blowing himself up or using his Personal Shield to keep on wrecking havoc on the town (sans shield and probably existence revealed).

Thoughts?

Well, we obviously have a problem if people are not signing up due to the role set.

I'll look over everything tomorrow, see what I come up with.

Personally, I like a lot of things about the ruleset, but I like having a bigger / more active game more.  If that requires backing off a bit, I'm for it.

[Pandarsenic]

Plasma can't harm the Exterminator anyway.

Ninja'd by Janus; an interesting idea. Maybe we could change the Plasma Bomb's flavor to explain that; perhaps aggressive gray-goo style nanobots that morningkill indiscriminately, but can be stopped by the Personal Shield since it works at all times?

[webadict]

Plasma can't harm the Exterminator anyway.

Ninja'd by Janus; an interesting idea. Maybe we could change the Plasma Bomb's flavor to explain that; perhaps aggressive gray-goo style nanobots that morningkill indiscriminately, but can be stopped by the Personal Shield since it works at all times?

Plasma -> Cop -> Exterminator.

It CAN kill the Exterminator if he's unlucky. Or if he uses it on himself.

[Pandarsenic]

It specifically says in the explanation that if it reaches him, it still doesn't affect him.

[webadict]

Does this stop it from being overpowered?

[Pandarsenic]

Is it the only item you can bring = Concern 1
Can it harm the Exterminator = Concern 2

Old version, 1Y2N: Not overpowered
New version type A, 1N2N: overpowered
New Version type B (preferred) 1N2Y: Not overpowered.

[webadict]

I suppose with a smaller percentage of power roles, this is a more optimal solution.

[CobaltKobold]

I think you should keep the seekers, and add a Human Hunter alien- of course, with the surfeit of humans, you should need to take back more than one for your purposes.

Implementation details, not sure. Two abducts, hitting nonhuman results in death?

[JanusTwoface]

The problem with the seekers is that I have yet to actually see them fail and they duplicate the ability of the Scientist. They're neat, but not really necessary IMO.

[webadict]

The problem with the seekers is that I have yet to actually see them fail and they duplicate the ability of the Scientist. They're neat, but not really necessary IMO.

[Pandarsenic]

The problem with the seekers is that I have yet to actually see them fail and they duplicate the ability of the Scientist. They're neat, but not really necessary IMO.

[Mephansteras]

I agree. They've been interesting, but they always succeed so they don't add all that much to the game. Well, Dopp/Cult hunters anyway. Agent Seekers don't do as well, although I still don't know if they add much.