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Keep it as is

3 (12%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win

1 (4%)

Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

3 (12%)

Change it to a Jester with the loss of the Next Day phase

4 (16%)

Remove it entirely

9 (36%)

Other (explain)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 25

[Mephansteras]

Hmm....

I kind of like the re-vote with those two as an option, except that it would extend the day too much.

Maybe I should put it to a poll, although there doesn't seem to be much support for it so far.

[Servant Corps]

I'm also actively against double lynches. It's just a game-ruiner. Otherwise, I'd tell everyone to lynch themselves first day.

Now that... That would be an interesting game.

Only solution that counts. Plus, then the Exterminator wins and everyone else ties?

Let me think. Isn't the win condition of the Town is to exterminate all Scum? And the win condition of the Doppelganger is to kill all people other than the "Survivor Alien"? And isn't the goal of the Exterminator is to exterminate all non-Exterminators?

Wouldn't every one win except the Survivor Alien?

[webadict]

I'm also actively against double lynches. It's just a game-ruiner. Otherwise, I'd tell everyone to lynch themselves first day.

Now that... That would be an interesting game.

Only solution that counts. Plus, then the Exterminator wins and everyone else ties?

Let me think. Isn't the win condition of the Town is to exterminate all Scum? And the win condition of the Doppelganger is to kill all people other than the "Survivor Alien"? And isn't the goal of the Exterminator is to exterminate all non-Exterminators?

Wouldn't every one win except the Survivor Alien?

Most aliens would lose, actually.

[Mephansteras]

Not that you can actually lynch more then 2 people per day, anyway.

[webadict]

Not that you can actually lynch more then 2 people per day, anyway.

It's either one or infinite.

[Mephansteras]

Not that you can actually lynch more then 2 people per day, anyway.

It's either one or infinite.

Not sure I understand that statement but your dislike of multiple lynches has been noted.

[webadict]

Not that you can actually lynch more then 2 people per day, anyway.

It's either one or infinite.

Not sure I understand that statement but your dislike of multiple lynches has been noted.

I just feel it makes the game too different from what it's supposed to be. It's like adding another turn to Battleship, but only for one person. You sank my Battleship AND my Aircraft Carrier! That Patrol Boat? One-shotted. Oh, still can't find my Submarine? That's probably because I didn't put it on the board...

And, it's actually hurtful to Town and Scum alike, and only benefits the Exterminator... Who may or may not need it. That is all.

[JoshuaFH]

Not that you can actually lynch more then 2 people per day, anyway.

It's either one or infinite.

Not sure I understand that statement but your dislike of multiple lynches has been noted.

I just feel it makes the game too different from what it's supposed to be. It's like adding another turn to Battleship, but only for one person. You sank my Battleship AND my Aircraft Carrier! That Patrol Boat? One-shotted. Oh, still can't find my Submarine? That's probably because I didn't put it on the board...

And, it's actually hurtful to Town and Scum alike, and only benefits the Exterminator... Who may or may not need it. That is all.

You're not making any sense WA! Why insist that it's only one or infinite? What does that battleship metaphor even MEAN?

[JanusTwoface]

His point kind of makes sense, in that it allows the Town to kill two people a day which isn't how the original games were balanced.  Although it is also true that without knowing for sure who the Mafia is/are it's just as likely to hurt the town.  Especially if only one of the two is Town, then the Mafia could change at the last minute to save their own and kill the Townie (granted, by revealing one of their own).

Personally, I don't know if it's a good change or a bad one.  It definitely does give the game a different feel.

[JoshuaFH]

Wrong Janus! The rules as they are allow for a trick of EPIC proportions. Suppose there is a dopp enchanter, then that dopp can proceed with the crowd to "tie" between two people, and then at the end, only ONE person will be lynched! And because it requires that half of everyone to be involved, that allows him to weed out a town, protect a fellow dopp, and perform a 6+ way WIFOM.

[JanusTwoface]

Ouch.  Wow, I didn't even think of that.  (Some combination of having a crazy number of roles and people, most likely).  It does make Paranormal rather interesting to try to think through.

(Note to self: If chaoticjosh takes part in a double lynch in the next round and only one side dies, remember this conversation)

[Rysith]

Wrong Janus! The rules as they are allow for a trick of EPIC proportions. Suppose there is a dopp enchanter, then that dopp can proceed with the crowd to "tie" between two people, and then at the end, only ONE person will be lynched! And because it requires that half of everyone to be involved, that allows him to weed out a town, protect a fellow dopp, and perform a 6+ way WIFOM.

And why is that a bad thing?

I think that the most recent lynch (Toony/Duke) demonstrates the badness of allowing double lynches, especially with conditional voting to cause them. It was clear that Duke was scum and Toony was not, yet the Toony/Duke double conditional votes meant that even after Duke claimed scum Toony was still lynched.

If we were going to allow double lynches, I'd say that it would have to be a situation with more than half voting and all votes in one of the two camps: No third parties, no abstain/no lynch, no conditional votes, etc. That might even be too easy still to generate a double lynch. I see the double lynch as an exceptional situation, not something that the town can aim for and hit regularly.

[Mephansteras]

Ok, I added a poll for these two issues. Since I'm fairly neutral about both of them (I see advantages and disadvantages to both), I'm going to stay out of the vote count and just go 'Other'.

[JoshuaFH]

Rysith, if you're going to complain about the rules, complain about them separately.

I can see the guff people have with conditioned votes, and outlawing them might be something I could get behind. The only thing I'm worried about is the possibility of Ebay-style vote sniping.

Double lynches, on the other hand, had this weird property of being completely unknown and uncared about until I formed a game-winning strategy that involved them, and now everyone's crazy about'em. Personally, the DL rule is a tool for the town to use, and they've been VERY luck thus far with it, but this also allows them to bite themselves in the ass. Pretty hard, might I add.

[webadict]

Rysith, if you're going to complain about the rules, complain about them separately.

I can see the guff people have with conditioned votes, and outlawing them might be something I could get behind. The only thing I'm worried about is the possibility of Ebay-style vote sniping.

Double lynches, on the other hand, had this weird property of being completely unknown and uncared about until I formed a game-winning strategy that involved them, and now everyone's crazy about'em. Personally, the DL rule is a tool for the town to use, and they've been VERY luck thus far with it, but this also allows them to bite themselves in the ass. Pretty hard, might I add.

It's not a game-winning strategy. It's just killing off everyone but you. That's lame.