Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

Keep it as is

3 (12%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win

1 (4%)

Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

3 (12%)

Change it to a Jester with the loss of the Next Day phase

4 (16%)

Remove it entirely

9 (36%)

Other (explain)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 25

[JanusTwoface]

I just like the idea of not having a purely town role that is relatively easy to verify (by code words or the like).

[Kashyyk]

ACtually, I have always thought that the Dead Chat would be better suited in an IRC. 'cos then people can really impersonate each other and stuff.

Just an idea I wanted to throw out here. Feel free to shoot it down in flames.

[Mephansteras]

The only problem with that is that we had someone impersonate the Medium the first time Dead Chat was introduced (there was no Medium). He lead everyone on and the dead players got really involved and frustrated that they weren't being listened too. When it was revealed that there was no medium, they all got really upset about being tricked like that. So I decided it wasn't worth the agony.

[Kashyyk]

Well, we should have worked it out really. I mean (Josh?) had died quite early on hadn't he? But we just never realised that he wasn't there.
It was just an idea though.

[JanusTwoface]

I don't know as much like the idea of about impersonation.  Maybe allow for anonymous posting?  (Just throwing ideas out, havn't really thought through ramifications).

[Mephansteras]

Just for interests sake, I've tallied up the current votes for everything and noted the comments left for them as well.

Spoilered for size.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

----------
Advanced Doppelganger
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     
      Y) Should be costly
----------
Agent
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Aggressive Vet
    Y: 10
    N: 0
      Y) Change name to Vigilante
      Y) Rename to vigilante
     
----------
Alien Agent Seeker
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     
----------
Alien Doppelganger Hunter
    Y: 9
    N: 1
     
----------
Alien Exterminator
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Alien Operative
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Alien Scientist
    Y: 6
    N: 4
     
      Y) If he receives two items like an exterminator
      N) "Kidnapper role might be neat, though"
----------
Alien Survivor
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Bodyguard
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     
      N) Use one of the varients
----------
Bodyguard Varients
    Y: 6
    N: 3
     
      Y) Pick one
      Y ) if random
----------
Child
    Y: 0
    N: 10
     
----------
Controlled Doppelganger
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     
      Y) If the EA can't have this and an operative.
----------
Cult Leader
    Y: 6
    N: 4
      Y)  (Only if the game is 'large enough' to support yet another team)
     
----------
Cultist
    Y: 6
    N: 4
      Y)  (Only if the game is 'large enough' to support yet another team)
     
----------
Detective
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Disciple Of Truth
    Y: 8
    N: 2
      Y) Should only role-flip role not role and race. ( -Meph's note: Ok with the role-flip only to DoT and not the thread?)
     
----------
Doppelganger
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Doppelganger Leader
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Enchanter
    Y: 7
    N: 3
     
      Y) And similar roles
----------
Ghost
    Y: 3
    N: 7
     
      Y)  with PM ban
----------
Kook
    Y: 6
    N: 4
     
----------
Mad Scientist
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     
      Y) Should be hard to tell apart from alien
----------
Medium
    Y: 9
    N: 1
     
      Y) Add Dopp Medium
      Y) If there is a Dopp version

----------
Mind Knife
    Y: 5
    N: 5
     
----------
Mind Shield
    Y: 9
    N: 0
     
      Y ) "if Telepath result is random (If Survive, then only Kill, Protect, and Find appear) instead of not given"
      Y) Much more common
----------
Paranoid War Vet
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
      Y) Dopp version too?
----------
Protector
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Psi-Hunter
    Y: 7
    N: 3
     
----------
Psychic Warden
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Reporter
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
      Y) Clear up action words.
----------
Silent Specter
    Y: 1
    N: 9
     
----------
Telepath
    Y: 10
    N: 0
     
----------
Townsperson
    Y: 9
    N: 1
     
----------
Twisted Soul
    Y: 2
    N: 8
     
----------
Warlock
    Y: 9
    N: 1
     
      Y) "Random lynch kill, not only the last"
----------
Watcher
    Y: 8
    N: 2
     

Please continue to vote, and feel free to update your votes. I'll probably keep the voting open until right before the next game starts. Keep in mind that I may not follow everything that is said, if I have a good game balance reason for it. The Kook, for instance, isn't too popular. But it's a very useful role for balancing out the sides, power-wise, so it'll probably stick around regardless. Unless someone can give me a very compelling reason to remove it.

[JanusTwoface]

One idea for the ghosts.
We could play using something similar to the rules from my card-game copy of Werewolf:
- After death, the ghost would have access to dead chat like normal.
- Each night, the ghost can leave a note (a PM to the GM then posted in the morning)
- Some sort of limitations on that?

The main issue thing is that there is not a limitless form of communication between the living and dead, and all communication is public.  Although it wouldn't make much sense with a medium as well.

[JoshuaFH]

So how's the ideas for dopp medium or watchers coming along?

Also, I just thought, would a watcher be able to see a medium communicating with the dead during the day?

[Twiggie]

how about we scrap the medium, and let each dead person leave a note in the morning, kinda like janus said. However, each dead person can only leave one note per game, and dopp players could choose to leave their notes so that only the dopps can read it.

thoughts?

[JoshuaFH]

Something like that negates the purpose of a medium, methinks.

I personally don't think the medium is overpowered, he's just powered up if the mafia decide to never target him (even if say, he's been known throughout half the game), then it allows some nifty tricks.

[Twiggie]

Something like that negates the purpose of a medium, methinks.

how about we scrap the medium,

Yes indeed.

[Mr.Person]

What if, instead of being able to talk to all the dead, the Medium can pick one dead person per night to turn to a ghost for the day. That person can talk normally throughout the next day, even if the Medium died that night. This gives dead players a chance to get back into the game, but decreases the power of the Medium a lot. In fact, it might be best for the Medium to remain anonymous instead of claiming instantly, like how it is now.

[Mephansteras]

Well, I think if Dopps can also be mediums it'll stop that. If you can't automatically trust the Medium, you can't exactly trust what they pass along from the dead, can you?

[JoshuaFH]

But I think the question is: Will a telepath see them as "Find" or "kill"?

[Mephansteras]

Ooooh, good question. They won't be taking any night actions, but they can also talk to the dead at night...

I guess 'Find' unless they're doing the Night Kill, in which case it'll be 'Kill'. Much like any other power role.