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Total Members Voted: 25

[Leafsnail]

Well, Possible Changes has the roles we've been talking about recently.  Proposed Changes has several roles which haven't been mentioned for ages, and there is some overlap between the two lists.  I dunno, it's not particularly important, just a bit messy.

[Mephansteras]

Ah, ok. Well, I'll update those when I get a chance to bring them in line with where we're at.

[CobaltKobold]

No werewolves yet please.

On another thing, your flavor seems to lighten in detail with each passing game.  Ne'er again will we hear of the Mudhollow Times' Soul[sic] Remaining Reporter.

[RedWarrior0]

Wait, was there a Medium-Reporter blend in one person (joking)?

[CobaltKobold]

No. Just someone with a confused spelling of sole. That one (Para4b) is quite fun to read, if just for that. Most of the early ones are.

[Mephansteras]

Any particular reason you don't want the Werewolf in the game, Cobalt?

[CobaltKobold]

Primarily.

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because it's a theme for another game I might be trying to run, though this isn't that good a reason.

Secondarily, because "werewolf" seems to be starting to go nearer fantasy than "paranormal", to me. (My rule-of-thumb is sort of "blurry photograph on tabloid: does it fit?")

[Mephansteras]

Hehe, well, an actual Werewolf mafia game is a bit different then a werewolf role in a mafia game.

As for the 'Paranormal' aspect of it, Werewolves still mostly fit to me. I can easily see a tabloid cover saying 'Man is discovered to be an actual Werewolf!' with picture of a very hairy man in cuffs or something.

Unrelated note, I think I know what I'm going to do for the Exterminator. He will always have a regular Mind Shield, but I'll make a one-slot tech item that he can choose which has the Advanced properties. That should be it useful while not being a 'required' item to survive, since its presence means the town can't just assume that if they find everyone with a Mind Shield they'll find the Exterminator. The Advanced version will simply return 'Survive' to Telepaths and return a false result for all other Psychic powers.

[CobaltKobold]

I'd rebut but that would be saying too much.

[Mr.Person]

Perhaps scientist should be able to take an Advanced Mind shield as tech?

[Mephansteras]

Hmm, possible.

Perhaps a Mind Shield tech item for Aliens and Mad Scientists. If you already have a Mind Shield, it acts as an Advanced Mind shield. That way Exterminators can always have an Advanced Mind Shield if they wish, and other Aliens/MS can either get a Mind Shield or upgrade their own.

[CobaltKobold]

would, then, one be able to pick two mindshields if two-slots to get Advanced?

[Mephansteras]

Yes, if you had two slots and didn't already have a mind shield you could use both to get an Advanced mind shield. Not sure who would do that at this point, since the Watcher doesn't need a Mind Shield to win and the Scientist only has one slot now, but it would work that way.

[Pandarsenic]

Problem: Only scum (Dopps, Cult, Exterminator) receive a substantial benefit from a Mind Shield

Problem: Exterminator is screwed without a Personal Shield more often than not.

Suggestion: The Exterminator has two tech slots, a Large Tech Slot and a Small Tech Slot. Small Tech can only take 1-value techs, Large Tech can take a one-value or two-value tech. This alleviates the fear of the Exterminator going, say, Assassin Bot + Deadman Bomb + Personal Shield

Quick Question. Are there any techs you can take multiples of? Like double assassin bot?

[Mephansteras]

Hmm, that's an idea.

Currently you are restricted to a single one of each tech.