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Author Topic: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!  (Read 6801 times)

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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2009, 03:23:17 pm »

Ah, but remember, to some religions, Jehovah IS all gods, and all gods ARE Jehovah...whether that is a "he appears different to different people because they need him", or a "he is smirking and putting on different masks for kicks".  Some religions specifically proclaim that it's impossible to worship a different god, because their god is all gods.  Stay away from the golden calves and you're fine.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2009, 03:25:00 pm »

too bad the golden calf was an egyptian god
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2009, 03:30:45 pm »

Okay, but if you look at Allah, he says that Satan created the other gods. This throws us into an infinite loop in that case.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2009, 04:58:37 pm »

Okay, but if you look at Allah, he says that Satan created the other gods. This throws us into an infinite loop in that case.

No it doesn't. Under that theory, Allah is also Satan, and self-created all other gods, who are also him. No problems there.

Pantheism, however, tends to stay away from that sort of thing, and instead say that (as has been mentioned previously) the universe as a single system is god, everything inside of it is part of god, and that anthropomorphic god-figures aren't god(s), except in that the idea of their existence is part of the universe, because it is contained within the universe. They also tend to aim away from formalized worship etc., since there isn't a concept that devotion or sacrifices are related to the continued existence/favor of the universe, and in fact the whole "god" concept is extremely impersonal.

For a "one step down" sort of thing, look at Deism, which is belief in a transcendental, but uninvolved divine something (as opposed to pantheism, which is a non-transcendental divine something).
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2009, 01:52:25 am »

Polytheism: The belief in several gods. Examples: Hiduism, The Romans, The Greeks, The Egyptians. (I have no idea what those religious are actually called, but they are polytheistic.)


I've heard Hellenism, Hellenic Polytheism, Dunno Exactly, I don't think we actually have a word like "Islam" or "Christianity" to really describe us.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2009, 02:18:21 am »

Well, it contains the world hell, so it must be evil? Amirite?
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2009, 02:38:01 am »

Well, it contains the world hell, so it must be evil? Amirite?

In Roman eyes maybe, Ive heard they weren't too fond of the Greeks.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2009, 02:44:05 am »

So they steal their religion and rename the gods.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2009, 05:36:17 am »

So they steal their religion and rename the gods.

Like Christians? Except they do it with the rituals

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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2009, 06:20:45 am »

So they steal their religion and rename the gods.

Like Christians? Except they do it with the rituals

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Nice to see most Christians keep forgetting that the jews didn't really kill Christ. There are zero evidence to even suggest that apart from the texts. It's not consistent with the Roman law system or what Pilot would do. Research says that those guys changed the story so that it favored the Romans and thus, they took over the Roman empire.

Did I mention Jesus was a Jew? The Jews didn't execute him for being a heretic. The Romans executed him because he was a threat to the Roman empire. He was preaching against it and that whole riot at the temple mount didn't help.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2009, 06:45:08 am »

Nice to see most Christians keep forgetting that the jews didn't really kill Christ. There are zero evidence to even suggest that apart from the texts. It's not consistent with the Roman law system or what Pilot would do. Research says that those guys changed the story so that it favored the Romans and thus, they took over the Roman empire.

The Jews didn't execute him for being a heretic. The Romans executed him because he was a threat to the Roman empire. He was preaching against it and that whole riot at the temple mount didn't help.

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Can I ask where you're getting this?  I've never heard of anything like that, and would like some sources.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2009, 06:54:27 am »

Okay, but if you look at Allah, he says that Satan created the other gods. This throws us into an infinite loop in that case.

No it doesn't. Under that theory, Allah is also Satan, and self-created all other gods, who are also him. No problems there.

As much as I'm loathe to step into these discussions, I'd like to say that this bit of confusion is more a problem of definition.  Both in the original text, and the modern English we're translating it into, there's not a lot of clear delineation between God Almighty and deities.  Islamic rhetorical trappings were born out of ancient Arabian polytheism, where every region or tribe had it's own particular god(s).
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2009, 06:55:29 am »

I think it's pointless to argue about the different religions. Let's try to be realistic...there is no God. Do we have any proofs that there is a God/superior being? The answer is: no. God did not create the Humans. Humans created the God.  ;)
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2009, 06:59:01 am »

Nice to see most Christians keep forgetting that the jews didn't really kill Christ. There are zero evidence to even suggest that apart from the texts. It's not consistent with the Roman law system or what Pilot would do. Research says that those guys changed the story so that it favored the Romans and thus, they took over the Roman empire.

The Jews didn't execute him for being a heretic. The Romans executed him because he was a threat to the Roman empire. He was preaching against it and that whole riot at the temple mount didn't help.
The first point is true, as calling someone Christian only happened after the death of Christ. The second is a little strange, and I can't tell if it true or not.

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Can I ask where you're getting this?  I've never heard of anything like that, and would like some sources.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2009, 07:38:16 am »

Nice to see most Christians keep forgetting that the jews didn't really kill Christ. There are zero evidence to even suggest that apart from the texts. It's not consistent with the Roman law system or what Pilot would do. Research says that those guys changed the story so that it favored the Romans and thus, they took over the Roman empire.

The Jews didn't execute him for being a heretic. The Romans executed him because he was a threat to the Roman empire. He was preaching against it and that whole riot at the temple mount didn't help.
The first point is true, as calling someone Christian only happened after the death of Christ. The second is a little strange, and I can't tell if it true or not.

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Can I ask where you're getting this?  I've never heard of anything like that, and would like some sources.

National Geographic.
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