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Akroma

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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2009, 07:50:21 am »

Seems like I always heard it just meant belief in *many* gods, rather than just one.  So, the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, etc. would have been pantheistic.

The 'god is everything' version I hadn't heard before, but I'll bow to the almighty dictionary here.
You are confusing it with polytheistic.

isn't polytheism just the belief in more than one god, as opposed to monotheism ?

it doesn't belief that you belief in every god, just that you belief in many gods, for instance the hindu-gods
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 07:53:36 am »

Seems like I always heard it just meant belief in *many* gods, rather than just one.  So, the ancient Greeks, Egyptians, etc. would have been pantheistic.

The 'god is everything' version I hadn't heard before, but I'll bow to the almighty dictionary here.
You are confusing it with polytheistic.

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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 08:30:44 am »

isn't polytheism just the belief in more than one god, as opposed to monotheism ?

it doesn't belief that you belief in every god, just that you belief in many gods, for instance the hindu-gods
True, besides, you cannot reasonably believe in all gods as some contradict others unless you say that gods are fueled by beliefs.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 08:30:48 am »

This topic is tl;dr.

Pantheism is the belief in a Pantheon, I believe.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 08:52:07 am »

This topic is tl;dr.

Pantheism is the belief in a Pantheon, I believe.
I'm sorry, but you just missed the part where we've come to saying that that was polytheism. Pantheism is the belief that God is in nature.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 11:09:52 am »

Pantheism  Pan-Theisim



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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 11:16:42 am »

True, besides, you cannot reasonably believe in all gods as some contradict others
Maybe, but that's exactly what Greeks and Romans believed. They thought all the gods are real and that continued existence of the world depends on each culture's worship of their own gods.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 11:25:08 am »

True, besides, you cannot reasonably believe in all gods as some contradict others
Maybe, but that's exactly what Greeks and Romans believed. They thought all the gods are real and that continued existence of the world depends on each culture's worship of their own gods.

Sources?

I'm pretty sure Romans were more central to their Pantheon but didn't rule out others, which allowed foreign cults to get a bit of power.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 11:44:57 am »

Believing in a God that says other gods are lies rules out other gods worthy of worship.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 01:08:37 pm »

Well. After 2 pages it seems that no clear answer surfaced.

I did wiki it. But I have too much contradicting information.

Dictionary time:

Monotheism: Belief in only one, usually omnipotent god. Examples: Judaism, Christianity, Islam. (All the same god too.)

Polytheism: The belief in several gods. Examples: Hiduism, The Romans, The Greeks, The Egyptians. (I have no idea what those religious are actually called, but they are polytheistic.)

Atheism: The belief that god/gods does not exist or is not as depicted by other religions. Makes no definition of god/gods. (My personal definition is following science and Occam's razor. So far, it says god does not exist or is not as depicted. For all I know, god may exist. But until I see some hard proof, I'm staying an atheist. Occam's razor will win this one as long as no actual evidence to support god arise, because there's plenty to suggest he doesn't exist. Alternatively, I define him as the Agnostics did. An evil bastard. In my opinion, if god exists, he's fucking evil.)

Agnosticism: The doubt in the existence of god/gods. (Citation needed. I'm not sure about this one either.) Often a stepping stone on the way to atheism but should be considered its own "religion".

Gnosticism: The belief in knowledge. But this whole definition has been disvalued over time. Often thought to be the ancestor to atheism.

Pantheism: I DON'T KNOW!
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2009, 02:27:54 pm »

no clear answer surfaced ?
have you not read my second post, about harmony and the entirety of nature being god ?


 I had to go through goethe's stuff for an entire semester and recently wrote my A-level exam about him. Though in the particular question I was working on pantheism was not important, I can say one thing for sure

I know what pantheism is
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2009, 02:56:56 pm »

Believing in a God that says other gods are lies rules out other gods worthy of worship.

I don't see how that follows.  There's a difference between saying "That version of God is one expression of the core divinity" and saying "Everything that version of God says is true".  If a loving God thinks that a specific culture needs a religious figure that claims it is the only God, while another culture needs a religious figure that is more accepting of others, then those two gods are not incompatible to an outside observer and may in fact be one and the same.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2009, 03:10:54 pm »

Believing in a God that says other gods are lies rules out other gods worthy of worship.

I don't see how that follows.  There's a difference between saying "That version of God is one expression of the core divinity" and saying "Everything that version of God says is true".  If a loving God thinks that a specific culture needs a religious figure that claims it is the only God, while another culture needs a religious figure that is more accepting of others, then those two gods are not incompatible to an outside observer and may in fact be one and the same.
The point is, you cannot worship both.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2009, 03:16:28 pm »

Yes you can.
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Re: The hell does Pantheism even mean?!
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2009, 03:19:40 pm »

first commandement of jehova

: thou shalt not have another god besides me



well....
if worhsipping him includes sticking to his laws, then I guess this one kinda ruins your game
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