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[Yanlin]

Holy shit this girl is a prick. And I'm christian

Just her? Try the entire bloody school. Bunch of hypocrites.

[Akroma]

Holy shit this girl is a prick. And I'm christian

Just her? Try the entire bloody school. Bunch of hypocrites.

they might be hypocrites, but if you keep nagging, trying to shut them up when they are praying, you are not exactly a beacon of toleranz either

[Jackrabbit]

or, indeed, tolerance.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. But what gets to me is if someone tells me I'm a heathen or will burn in hell because I don't follow their religion. Because then I think of all the people who will never have a chance to even learn of said religion and if your God will burn people in hell for not hearing about him then you can shove your religion up your arse and be done with it (just to be absolutely clear, I'm not referring to anyone here, don't worry)

[Akroma]

try to look at it from another perspective

if that girl truely BELIEVES that praying will help, and you tell her to shut up, that is offensive

if that girl truely believes that there is a god, and when you mock her for that, that is offensive too



that girl has the right to be offended


sure, her believes might seem ridiculous to you, but if that is what she believes, then shut the fuck up and let her pray

it's not like you genuinely care about her making a mistake

[Jackrabbit]

try to look at it from another perspective

if that girl truely BELIEVES that praying will help, and you tell her to shut up, that is offensive

if that girl truely believes that there is a god, and when you mock her for that, that is offensive too



that girl has the right to be offended


sure, her believes might seem ridiculous to you, but if that is what she believes, then shut the fuck up and let her pray

it's not like you genuinely care about her making a mistake

agreed. But declaring him a heathen seems a bit much. Even I might snap at that point

[Akroma]

again, just show supremacy by toleranz

I mean, the deffinition of heathen is some one who believes in the wrong god, or in no god at all, right ?

so hey, calling him a heathen is just on spot, and not even offensive (even if it is meant as offensive)


I've had people throwing dozens of slang-terms for a homosexual at me
why should I be offended by that, it's true, I fell down the faggot-tree and hit every single branch
when they call me a rugmuncher, hell yeah, that's what I do, munching rugs, which I could do that more often


in the same way, if they call you a non-believer, hell yeah, that's what you are, a non-believer. If they say you will go to hell, they are either right, or they are wrong and you know they are, because there is no hell and nothing to worry about

[Jackrabbit]

Thats a fair argument and I agree.

I have got to be the most conciliatory person on the internet, but yes, I agree

[Andir]

try to look at it from another perspective

if that girl truely BELIEVES that praying will help, and you tell her to shut up, that is offensive

if that girl truely believes that there is a god, and when you mock her for that, that is offensive too



that girl has the right to be offended

... but the atheist has no right to be offended?

Edit:  You keep spouting how atheists should be tolerant of religion, but you don't consider that religious should be tolerant of atheists as well.  It's like smoking in a public place.  The person praying (out loud, seeing as he asked her to be quiet) is filling the air with something unfavorable to someone around them, but they should just shut up and deal with it instead of asking the other person to do it silently?

[Akroma]

not if the atheist started it


also, they called you a heathen, which shouldn't be offensive to you

while the atheist openly called out to her to stop practising her faith

I mean, he knew he had it coming the moment he started it

[Aqizzar]

The atheist rebuttal would be that she started it by praying loudly.  And if she meant heathen as an insult (as she obviously would), then I would take it as one regardless.  What does it matter if it's insubstantial to an atheist, why should one just stand there and be insulted?

[Jackrabbit]

I think that it depends on how forcefully Yanlin asked her to stop. I mean, if it was similar to this scenario

Yanlin: Could you please stop that, it's difficult to concentrate
Girl: Heathen!

then the girl is in the wrong. If it's like this scenario

Yanlin: Shut up, please
Girl: Heathen!

Then Yanlin had it coming. How did you say it, Yanlin?

[Akroma]

I don't even see why the atheist was offended in the first place


I mean, someone praying out loud

holy shit, that is offensive !



I mean, even if the volume was indeed distracting, then learn to concentrate better
she is not praying loudly because she wants to disturb you
she is praying loudly because she is genuinely worried about the results of the test

if you are that aggressive that you can't even wait for 5 minutes until she finished her prayer and continue learning afterwards, or learn a bit more at home, then for fucks sake, ou are the person who started the arguement, for invalid and egoistic reasons


intoleranz will be met with intoleranz, and rightfully so

I mean, if someone told a black person to stop being a nigger, you wouldn't agree with that person either

okay, maybe the example is a bit exxagerated, so for the sake of it being constructive


if someone was wearing a REALLY ugly Tshirt, so ugly that it distracted the hell out of you, you still have no right to tell that person to take off that Tshirt
it's the kind of clothes he likes, and you are a douchebag if you can't respect his tastes

[Andir]

I think that it depends on how forcefully Yanlin asked her to stop. I mean, if it was similar to this scenario

Yanlin: Could you please stop that, it's difficult to concentrate
Girl: Heathen!

then the girl is in the wrong. If it's like this scenario

Yanlin: Shut up, please
Girl: Heathen!

Then Yanlin had it coming. How did you say it, Yanlin?

According to Akroma, it shouldn't matter how it was said.  They both mean the same thing.

If someone called a homosexual person a fag, it has a different connotation, but according to Akroma it doesn't matter (slang, derogatory, or not)

[Jackrabbit]

That doesn't apply to everyone. Its good that you can shrug that off, but not everyone can

[Andir]

if someone was wearing a REALLY ugly Tshirt, so ugly that it distracted the hell out of you, you still have no right to tell that person to take off that Tshirt
it's the kind of clothes he likes, and you are a douchebag if you can't respect his tastes

http://www.theurbangrind.net/?p=3053

A boy was sent home for wearing an Anti-Obama t-shirt.  Where's the tolerance to his opinion?  He wore a t-shirt that could be read by anyone, as her prayer could be heard by anyone.  The kid was suspended from school and this girl praying is supported?