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[kuro_suna]

Is it possible the only real correlation between religious and political belief is that if your not a religious fundamentalist the platform "We want government to stay out of our lives and theocratic morality police" doesn't make a lot of sense.

[Andir]

edit:  I'm not getting into the political debate here... retracting my post.

[Antsan]

Oh well, I guess this is a mistake.

I just want to explain, why I don't see religion or irrationality as necessary to stay "human".

First: An Idealist is one who believes, that the idea comes before matter - most religions are idealistic.
A Materialist is not one, who strives for material wealth (wealth is only "real" in an idealistic world) but onw, who believes, that any idea/mind/whatever is just an emergent process, based on less... fuzzy stuff.

Calling materialists cold is a fallacy, that only idealists can make: They mistake the materialist methodology (an idea) for "the" materialst goal. There is no materialistic goal. There are only goals, materialists might have.
When taking this serious, you are less likely to take your own wants for fundamental - I want to be free, you want to be safe, so let's look, how we can solve this. With idealist philosophy you will get the question: Okay, is freedom more important or safety? Why should I care? Importance is only an idea to help you through your life, why should I stick to it, when it's just in the way?

Trading a fast route for a less boring one isn't irrational. Wanting to see stuff and then trading the more interesting route for a shorter one because efficency is important is irrational. Somehow this always gets mixed up, because people think, the standard goals are programmed into the world.

[sonerohi]

Let it die bro. It is like, this thread was dead and we were holding the funeral, right? But then you put on your robes and wizard hat, y'dig? Just all like, necromancy, and boom.

[Leafsnail]

You can never kill god.

Therefore it follows that you can never kill a discussion about god.

[Medicine Man]

*throws lighter fluid on thread*

GOD IS A LIE!!!!

[alway]

You can never kill god.

Therefore it follows that you can never kill a discussion about god.

Sure you can. Gods die all the time in a variety of mythologies. Whether it be the death of a god, thus creating the earth, or a death in battle during a reshaping or utter destruction of the world. If anything, there are more mythologies in which gods can die than mythologies in which they are magical essences far removed from the cares of mortals. Then of course there are the mythologies in which severred parts of gods live on. And even if they can't be killed, they can be bound deep in an abyss or other magical prison; often helpfully placed nearby to where someone in the future is likely to stumble across it. Even in Christian mythology the latter is the case, where (in a simplified form) evil god is put into a magical abyssal prison.

So even if this thread does turn out, like some gods, to be unkillable, it can at least be bound in an abyss for several millenia.

[Medicine Man]

You can never kill god.

Therefore it follows that you can never kill a discussion about god.

(Troll) True, you cannot kill the nonexsistant. (/Troll)

[Micro102]

Here is a good one. If God exists, and made the world and humans, why are we finding evidence that the earth is billions of years old and didn't have humans but other, lower-life forms existing for all that time?

[Medicine Man]

Alright, here's something that people who believe in a god and sin should answer

Is there free will in heaven?

Is there sin in heaven?

Is there fighting in heaven?

[alway]

Alright, here's something that people who believe in a god and sin should answer

Is there fighting in heaven?

I don't believe in either of those things, but I can most definitely answer yes to that question. Why? Because it wouldn't be a perfect place without constant battles between pirates and ninjas.

[Grakelin]

And here I thought this had been locked.

[Heron TSG]

I don't really care whether or not there is a deity, because I wouldn't worship it even if it could prove it was all-powerful. Especially if it could.

However, it would provide an interesting conundrum. Can an all-powerful being create something so heavy that they can't lift it?

[Cthulhu]

Hopy shit, this thread's been a zombie for a mere four hours and you guys are already trotting out the same stuff we've seen ten thousand times.

[Grakelin]

Is it obligatory that I say "STFU, this is all new ground"?

People have done it to me in this thread enough time, that I almost want to just out of spite.