Hi, welcome to every page on this thread. We are very glad that you offered us a new redrudging of everything that has been said before. Your ability to repeat the same 'checkmate' logic where there can only be one conclusion to every statement you bring forward, while ignoring previous points and comments which debate those conclusions, is very refreshing. Glad to have you on the board.
The reasoning that a deity might be unwilling to prevent evil has been heavily discussed, and it is apparent that, at the very least, malevolence is not the only possible conclusion.
Granted, a lot of this thread boils down not to a debate between Theism and Atheism, but instead to a debate between Christianity and Atheism. Rather than actually tackle the possibility of a deity as a whole, many of the debaters here prefer to take Biblical beliefs, attempt to prove their fallacy through logic (which is silly and meaningless, because there are a plethora of interpretations about the Bible amongst people who follows its teachings in the first place), and then claim that because they have 'disproved' Christianity, they have disproved the idea of a God.
Why does a God necessarily have to be omnipotent? Could it have not created the universe, wound up the clock, and set us on our way? Maybe it doesn't interfere because it likes to spectate? Maybe it doesn't interfere because it can't, whatever power it had has been spent on creating the universe? Maybe it doesn't interfere because it would rather leave us to do our own thing? Of course, many mathematical theorists speculate that the entire course of the universe has already been predetermined, and that if there was an intellect or a computer powerful enough, they could equate everything that will ever happen.
One of the things not covered here, as far as I have seen, is where the universe began. It is easy (and probably true!) to cite the Big Bang Theory. Except that the Big Bang Theory indicates that something had to exist in the first place, in order to be scattered across the cosmos. So where did this come from? This is the big mystery, one which the Hadron Collider is investigating. I doubt that we will find any answers to the divine by throwing out random puffs of logic. Instead, we have to look to our own studies of the universe for the answer. We have to keep discovering things, and try to figure out the answer in a scientific manner. Science and religion are not opposed. Science and organized religion might be, due to the loss of power a religious institution might have if they risk everything they and their people believe in being false.
To me, the nature of the universe itself seems to indicate that some form of deity must exist, or existed at one point. Everything has an equation, after all, and if everything has an equation, that means there is perfect order to it. Yet, at the same time, it is completely chaotic, completely unpredictable. This, to me, imprints on my mind the idea of a God.
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