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[Pwnzerfaust]

You know, Huesoo, your signature, stating that your opinion has never changed, isn't exactly a virtue. People who have a little thing called intellectual honesty change their opinions based on new facts that come to light.

Just putting that out there.

[Huesoo]

I was talking about over the topic I was muted for.

[MrWiggles]

That may be so, however it doesn't come across as that.

[chaoticag]

http://dudeism.com/

I am no longer an atheist.

I thought you can be both, seeing as I doubt you believe in a god
Suprised that this topic is still kicking.

[Neruz]

http://dudeism.com/

I am no longer an atheist.

I thought you can be both, seeing as I doubt you believe in a god
Suprised that this topic is still kicking.

>:C

How many times do i have to repeat myself: Atheism is a lack of faith in Theism, not a lack of faith in God. You can be an Atheist and a Deist at the same time if you like.

[Pwnzerfaust]

http://dudeism.com/

I am no longer an atheist.

I thought you can be both, seeing as I doubt you believe in a god
Suprised that this topic is still kicking.

>:C

How many times do i have to repeat myself: Atheism is a lack of faith in Theism, not a lack of faith in God. You can be an Atheist and a Deist at the same time if you like.

That's quite a unique definition. I've always heard atheism defined as lack of belief in any god. Atheism is derived from the prefix "a-", meaning "without", and the Greek "theos" meaning "god". Seems to imply that atheism is lack of belief in any deity.

[Neruz]

http://dudeism.com/

I am no longer an atheist.

I thought you can be both, seeing as I doubt you believe in a god
Suprised that this topic is still kicking.

>:C

How many times do i have to repeat myself: Atheism is a lack of faith in Theism, not a lack of faith in God. You can be an Atheist and a Deist at the same time if you like.

That's quite a unique definition. I've always heard atheism defined as lack of belief in any god. Atheism is derived from the prefix "a-", meaning "without", and the Greek "theos" meaning "god". Seems to imply that atheism is lack of belief in any deity.

...

You forgot a step there; Theism is derived from Theos, which would be fine, except that in modern language Theism has a definition all of it's own, seperate from Theos.



While Atheism is commonly described as the position that there are no deities, it's not technically correct. Technically Atheism is the lack of faith in Theism, with Agnosticism being no knowledge of Theism and Antitheism being a denial of Theism.

Theism, however, can be broadly said to be belief in at least one deity, however in a more specific sense Theism refers to a particular doctrine concerning the nature of god and his relationship with the universe. Theism also usually concieves god as personal; actively interacting with world and the universe.


While technically you can define 'Theism' as 'Belief in God' and Atheism as 'No belief in God', those definitions are far to broad to be of any use, especially in a debate, hence why the more specific definitions exist.

[Bauglir]

So what you're saying is, he's using the word in a perfectly acceptable way grammatically and etymologically, and his meaning is clear from the context, but you're still gonna argue about it based on a non-universal distinction that's not actually relevant. Come on guys, this is the Internet. We have higher standar... Oh, right. Nevermind. Carry on.

[Neruz]

No; i'm saying while he is technically correct from a strict language standpoint, his definition is useless in the context of a debate, which is what this thread is supposed to be.

[Bauglir]

It's possibly useless for SOME debates, but this one doesn't actually seem to have strayed to close to discussing the differences in referring to those who have no organized or doctrinal religion and those who disbelieve in a deity, outside of a random tangent where Serious Business isn't relevant anyway. Especially since agnosticism has come to commonly be understood to mean what you're pointing out atheism technically means, even if that's not the original definition.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony inherent in arguing over whether or not you should be arguing about this.

[chaoticag]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism
I has a dictionary.

[Neruz]

It's possibly useless for SOME debates, but this one doesn't actually seem to have strayed to close to discussing the differences in referring to those who have no organized or doctrinal religion and those who disbelieve in a deity, outside of a random tangent where Serious Business isn't relevant anyway. Especially since agnosticism has come to commonly be understood to mean what you're pointing out atheism technically means, even if that's not the original definition.

And yes, I'm aware of the irony inherent in arguing over whether or not you should be arguing about this.

To be perfectly honest; this thread isn't even close to being a debate; hell it barely even qualifies as an argument. It's mostly a shouting match.

[MrWiggles]

THE HELL IT IS!

[Urist McOverlord]

Actually, it's a lot less shouty than other internet... anythings.

[MrWiggles]

THE HELL IT IS!