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Realmfighter

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Re: Atheists
« Reply #5355 on: October 29, 2010, 09:56:21 pm »

2.  Consensus and truth are not the same thing.

Or course not. Consensus implies that people get together and decide what is truth and not. Its just when most believe it is truth, then it is.

I'm not saying that if everyone believed the sky is green that it would be so, just that when everyone but you looks at the sky and says "That shit is green" it doesn't matter how right you think you are. The majority says you're wrong, and the're the one with the psychologist and nut houses.
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« Reply #5356 on: October 29, 2010, 09:59:51 pm »

If the universe follows natural laws and there are no inexplicable causes or effects, what would God be and what would they do?

In that case you pretty much are stuck with either "there is no God" or "God is natural law" (or thereabouts), in which case the notion of God is not particularly meaningful.

I'm not saying that if everyone believed the sky is green that it would be so, just that when everyone but you looks at the sky and says "That shit is green" it doesn't matter how right you think you are.

Can't argue with that.
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« Reply #5357 on: October 29, 2010, 10:03:58 pm »

However, the way science is supposed to work, the winner is the one who can summon the largest mountains of evidence to support their claim.  This does not necessarily have to be the majority position at first, but it will eventually become such if evidence keeps appearing.
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« Reply #5358 on: October 29, 2010, 10:04:51 pm »

And with a few notable cases that don't (that I can't recall), most of it turns out that way.
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« Reply #5359 on: October 29, 2010, 10:11:52 pm »

My question then: Is our universe ruled by natural law?
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« Reply #5360 on: October 29, 2010, 10:13:30 pm »

Natural law is whatever seems to fit the universe so far.
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« Reply #5361 on: October 29, 2010, 10:26:16 pm »

My question then: Is our universe ruled by natural law?

By definition, yes.

That doesn't imply there is no god.  Nor does it imply that what we think is true is, in fact, true.  I'm just saying that natural law is, by definition, the set of rules that govern our universe.  That's what the term means.
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« Reply #5362 on: October 29, 2010, 10:29:36 pm »

Has anything unnatural occurred?
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« Reply #5363 on: October 29, 2010, 10:30:22 pm »

What does Unnatural mean.
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« Reply #5364 on: October 29, 2010, 10:30:31 pm »

Nope, because if it occurred it would be natural.
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« Reply #5365 on: October 29, 2010, 10:31:14 pm »

Nope, because if it occurred it would be natural.
What does natural mean.
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« Reply #5366 on: October 29, 2010, 11:04:19 pm »

From a Google search of define:natural
  • in accordance with nature; relating to or concerning nature; "a very natural development"; "our natural environment"; "natural science"; "natural resources"; "natural cliffs"; "natural phenomena"
  • existing in or in conformity with nature or the observable world; neither supernatural nor magical; "a perfectly natural explanation"
  • functioning or occurring in a normal way; lacking abnormalities or deficiencies; "it's the natural thing to happen"; "natural immunity"; "a grandparent's natural affection for a grandchild"
  • (of a musical note) being neither raised nor lowered by one chromatic semitone; "a natural scale"; "B natural"
  • unthinking; prompted by (or as if by) instinct; "a cat's natural aversion to water"; "offering to help was as instinctive as breathing"
  • (used especially of commodities) being unprocessed or manufactured using only simple or minimal processes; "natural yogurt"; "natural produce"; "raw wool"; "raw sugar"; "bales of rude cotton"
  • someone regarded as certain to succeed; "he's a natural for the job"
  • related by blood; not adopted
  • a notation cancelling a previous sharp or flat
  • being talented through inherited qualities; "a natural leader"; "a born musician"; "an innate talent"
  • (craps) a first roll of 7 or 11 that immediately wins the stake
  • lifelike: free from artificiality; "a lifelike pose"; "a natural reaction"
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« Reply #5367 on: October 29, 2010, 11:05:45 pm »

Define Conformity and Normal.
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« Reply #5368 on: October 29, 2010, 11:10:25 pm »

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« Reply #5369 on: October 29, 2010, 11:11:16 pm »

Define Conformity and Normal.

I predict a pattern (image very loosely related).
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