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« Reply #1920 on: October 26, 2009, 11:16:00 pm »

And i would really like someone to try and answer that question.
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« Reply #1921 on: October 27, 2009, 06:50:48 am »

The monotheist believes that they have found the truth and that any alternative is irrelevant?
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« Reply #1922 on: October 27, 2009, 09:58:27 am »

I knew this guy who said that Jesus was the answer to everything. So when he asked the time, I replied: Jesus.
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« Reply #1923 on: October 27, 2009, 10:06:52 am »

I knew this guy who said that Jesus was the answer to everything. So when he asked the time, I replied: Jesus.


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« Reply #1924 on: October 27, 2009, 10:40:47 am »

Rofl genius
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« Reply #1925 on: October 27, 2009, 08:32:33 pm »

The monotheist believes that they have found the truth and that any alternative is irrelevant?
Actually, it would apply to anything but a pantheist? omnitheist?
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« Reply #1926 on: October 28, 2009, 09:19:54 pm »

A new religion has risen!

Can this be a milestone step in Dawkins becoming atheist pope and enlightening the world?
With such a large gathering of atheists, will there be atheist churches some day?

It seems a little ironic. I just hope that the same people who complain about organized religion don't band together and create one.
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« Reply #1927 on: October 28, 2009, 09:24:48 pm »

You only just found out about the Athiest Convention?

My mother and little brother are going to it.

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« Reply #1928 on: October 29, 2009, 12:45:23 am »

Well I guess E3 and ComicCon are religions now.
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« Reply #1929 on: October 29, 2009, 02:03:57 am »

The claim that Atheism is a Relgion is only made by people who do not understand what Religions are, which is kind of scary, considering how often you hear it and how it's usually Religious people saying it. Seriously, you would have thought they'd at least know what it was they were dedicating their life too.

Apparantly not.

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« Reply #1930 on: October 29, 2009, 02:05:03 am »

I just found out about it after an atheist buddy of mine mentioned about how atheism has finally become recognized. "People are now quitting their religions and becoming atheists!"

E3 is a sign that computer games are now a powerful economic force.
ComicCon is a sign that comic books have a very strong fan base.

The Athiest Convention shows that Atheism is now a valid belief. It's a little creepy seeing it turn into an organized group. As much as everyone avoids calling it a religion, when you start trying to convert people, it becomes a religion. Now that there's actually a significant number of atheists, I'd like to see if everything atheists have criticized about religion would happen. Frankly, it's difficult to start killing people in the name of something nobody believes in.

But now that it's become as acceptable, even embraced, we shall see if Atheism has the same negative effects as any other major religion in due time.
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« Reply #1931 on: October 29, 2009, 02:09:20 am »

*Facepalm*

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A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth.

Explain to me how Atheism can possibly be a Religion. Go on, try.


What i think you mean to say is that Atheism is an organisation, but your bigotry is blinding you.

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« Reply #1932 on: October 29, 2009, 02:52:10 am »

Taken from the same source of your description:
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Religious scholars generally agree that writing a single definition that applies to all religions is difficult or even impossible, because all people examine religion with some kind of critical eye, and the term is therefore fraught with ideological consequences for anyone who might want to construct a universal definition. Talal Asad writes that "there cannot be a universal definition of religion ... because that definition is itself the historical product of discursive processes"

So, no, you can't really define religion. USA courts legally ruled that it was a religion, though, and I'm sure they debated for days about it.

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"Up is down, and atheism, the antithesis of religion, is religion," said Fahling.

The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion.


Not the point though. I meant to say that it's become an increasingly organized set of beliefs. There's a point in every religion where it moves from an oppressed group of people who believe the same thing into a large, accepted organization, and that's what's happening.

It will be a religion when:
1. They create a proper symbol for atheism.
2. They create a ritualistic set of actions, like monthly meetings/debates.
3. Someone tells atheists what to do and what to believe, and nobody questions him/her.
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« Reply #1933 on: October 29, 2009, 03:29:54 am »

Not the point though. I meant to say that it's become an increasingly organized set of beliefs.

No, it hasn't.

Certain atheistic tendencies or groups, maybe. Atheism ITSELF is not. The only reason you're calling those "increasingly organized set(s) of belief" "atheism" is because they don't generally have names of their own. Except sometimes they actually do. "Secular Humanism" is mentioned in the article and is in fact a specific and cohesive philosophy/group. "Atheism" itself never will be, as it simply does not describe one.

So to say that Atheistic religion is possible, sure. But Atheism is not and will not ever be, itself, a religion. It's simply a concept, and I find it extremely bizarre that you would say that just because some atheistic tendencies, philosophies, or groups are getting more organized or specific about their beliefs means that the very concept of Atheism is doing the same. It's preposterous and illogical. Just because, say, Secular Humanism, or some popular atheistic phiilosophy gains momentum as an organized set of beliefs, that does not mean that Atheism itself has ever changed, as "atheism" itself is not the group in question.


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« Reply #1934 on: October 29, 2009, 03:48:58 am »

How can Atheism be an organised set of beliefs? It is one, single belief; there is no God.
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