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[Grimlocke]

There were loads of tests where they did just that, and they deferr like hell, mostelly because the plate mail would be of poor making, or that the test simply wasnt realistic.

Truth is though, that only a very good bow with very good archer firing very good arrows could pierce plate mail far enough to cause lethal damage, and only when the arrow hit at an angle close to 90 degrees.
Crossbows could manage to kill a knight in armour, but again only if it hit at a favourable angle, only if the crossbowman used good bolts, and only if the crossbow were a heavy crank-wound one.
The crossbows from df are clearly not crank-wound, judging by the rediculous firing rate of any avarage crossbowwielder. That said, I hope that toady one will drastically decrease firing rate and lethalty of bows and crossbows in the next version, but in the mean time, does anyone know a way to mod down the firing rate?

Also, about the adventurer thing, I allways kill the ranged guys first whilsts sneaking with throwing axes. Throwing axes are awesome, dismembering from a distance! That, and it doesnt break your sneakyness. Somehow.

[Funk]

df crossbows shoot with speed of Chinese repeating crossbow (all you do is work a lever to shoot it)
and the power of metal Windlass crossbow.

maybe differt type of crossbow can be added as new weapons i.e. repeating can shoot more qicky(mag?) has less power(low crits?) and range.
heavy shoots slowy but has longer rage and more power(higer crits as bolt go's in deeper?).

[Nerserus]

The power in crossbows when it comes to Dwarf Fortress, is the critical boost, and the firing speed, that is the potential for: Two-Three organs a shot, from long range, a shot a turn. And if you get two mangled lungs ( Or heart or throat. ) you're dead. That or a broken spine, or brain, both eyes, or just one organ ( Due to the high risk of going unconcious ).  May Armok help you if you are facing a perfectly agile archer.

[tp12]

Lemme dump my frustration here too. Got a nice new adventurer, no insane skills or equipment but still enough go murder everyone in a town...
I was just walking away from the house where had just butchered a axe armed guard, when a (after a proper introduction") legendary marksman started sending bolt's my way from the other side of a river.
I quickly ran into the home, got the axe from the guard and threw it at the marksman, beheading him cleanly. and just as i was thinking, "awesome!" a SECOND LEGENDARY MARKSMAN POPPED OUT FROM NOWHERE AND KILLED ME IN ONE SHOT.

[Neonivek]

Yeah Bows and Crossbows seem to hit much more often as well... oddly...

The part where it breaks from reality is one inept crossbowman has a greater chance to hit you then 8 swordsmen surrounding you. (The 8 Swordsmen will probably die from counter-attacks)

May or may not be true (I am inclined to say it is true) but it does feel like it a lot of the time.

[stormbringer951]

At higher level, legendary wrestlers avoid crossbows (re: Nist Akath). In fact, I think Captain Ironblood is probably invulnerable.

[Yanlin]

Anyone remember these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow

[Nerserus]

Yeah Bows and Crossbows seem to hit much more often as well... oddly...

The part where it breaks from reality is one inept crossbowman has a greater chance to hit you then 8 swordsmen surrounding you. (The 8 Swordsmen will probably die from counter-attacks)

May or may not be true (I am inclined to say it is true) but it does feel like it a lot of the time.

Nevermind that, i can face probably twenty wrestlers on my main character in my adventure world, and eight swordsmen, at the same time. Yet one bowman, no matter how crappy. Always, gets the better of me. It's ridiculous, my armour is pretty good ( Alot better than the starting stuff at least )
, and i have a HUGE armour and shield skill. Yet one shot. Bam. I'm dead, and the same thing happened to my full steel wearing legendary wrestler as well in Fortress mode. One hit. BAM. Both lungs and heart pierced. Talk about realism...

[Phazer]

Anyone remember these?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeating_crossbow

ahh age of empires 2 i guess?

[zchris13]

Umm... Yeah.  Lots of fun.  Liked the longboats better.

[Phazer]

from what i recall longbows owned in aoe 2 its totally diffrent from now.

shouldnt like bow have longer range less damage and crossbow lower and higher damage?
is dwarfs ever gonna get bows or just always crossbows?

too many questions, sorry if it bothers anyone.

[Ampersand]

This could be resolved with more variables that determine damage dealt. Since that is coming soon, as in next version soon, the possibility exists that they will be severely nerfed.

[Yanlin]

As long as we don't get this. Note the Dwarf Fortress example on that page.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnnoyingArrows

[Neonivek]

shouldnt like bow have longer range less damage and crossbow lower and higher damage?

Well a weakness of the Crossbow is that Arcs are nearly impossible.

It may not sound much but good luck shooting over cover at a feasable distance with the crossbow, it simply isn't effective.

[Yanlin]

Or... You know... Take cover yourself?