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Re: School kills creativity?
« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2009, 04:16:27 pm »

Yea... disintegrating 300,000 lives instantaneously is obviously more of an asshole move than brainwashing your entire country into fighting to the very bitter end so well that it took a nuke to convince them otherwise.

maybe it'll take a nuke to convince the school system to stop brainwashing people?
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Re: School kills creativity?
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2009, 04:38:56 pm »

I don't mind the homework.

It is the dull repetitiveness.  The worthless questions.  The lack of sunlight.  The lack of interest.


Oh, and although the Japs did bomb us first, we still shouldn't have utterly annihilated 300,000 innocent lives.  Drop the bomb in the harbor first, and show them we aren't bluffing.

Truman was an asshole.
That was pretty much a doctrine at the time. Kill some thousend civilians and the country will surrender. The V2's and the bombing of Dresden were perfect examples of this. Ofcourse afterwards sociological studies and tactical assesments showed that those kind of campaings usualy had quite the oposit effect, but they didn't know that during WW II
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« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2009, 04:40:55 pm »

Well, you don't have to throw nukes onto cities, you know.  I'm fine with using the nuke to end the war.  But what we basically did was:

America:  "Hey, Japs!  If you don't stop the war, we will use our super secret megaweapon to obliterate you!"

Japan:  "Ummm... yeah.  Whatever.  You go do that."

BOOM!

Japan: "OH MY GOD!"

It would have been a better move to bomb it close to the city, or perhaps on a nearby island.  Then, if they don't surrender, start moving progressively inward...
They actually didn't even believe us at first, that we had dropped a giant bomb on them. It took multiple reports and official investigations into the 'missing' city for Japan's officials to finally realize "Oh shit... that was an atomic weapon."

If we didn't even vaporize anything and intentionally missed, we just would have left radiation poisoning everywhere which took longer than the war to actually kill most people. That, and it took so much for them to realize an entire city had disappeared, can you imagine the trouble of convincing them that tsumani was actually from our bomb and not some crazy bluff centered around us knowing there was going to be a tsumani?
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« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2009, 04:51:36 pm »

On top of that:  Killing them quickly to end the war fast, or poisoning them all (slow cancerous death) to not necessarily guarantee the war's end?

You realize that even outside of the explosion, there were people who felt like they were burning?  Radiation poisoning.
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« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2009, 05:22:28 pm »

Well, you don't have to throw nukes onto cities, you know.  I'm fine with using the nuke to end the war.  But what we basically did was:

America:  "Hey, Japs!  If you don't stop the war, we will use our super secret megaweapon to obliterate you!"

Japan:  "Ummm... yeah.  Whatever.  You go do that."

BOOM!

Japan: "OH MY GOD!"

It would have been a better move to bomb it close to the city, or perhaps on a nearby island.  Then, if they don't surrender, start moving progressively inward...
They actually didn't even believe us at first, that we had dropped a giant bomb on them. It took multiple reports and official investigations into the 'missing' city for Japan's officials to finally realize "Oh shit... that was an atomic weapon."

If we didn't even vaporize anything and intentionally missed, we just would have left radiation poisoning everywhere which took longer than the war to actually kill most people. That, and it took so much for them to realize an entire city had disappeared, can you imagine the trouble of convincing them that tsumani was actually from our bomb and not some crazy bluff centered around us knowing there was going to be a tsumani?

Well, the people going blind from the flash, not to mention the huge tsunami, might be a tip-off.

We can always make more, launching them progressively more inland.

Or bomb a military target.

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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2009, 05:24:37 pm »

Well, you don't have to throw nukes onto cities, you know.  I'm fine with using the nuke to end the war.  But what we basically did was:

America:  "Hey, Japs!  If you don't stop the war, we will use our super secret megaweapon to obliterate you!"

Japan:  "Ummm... yeah.  Whatever.  You go do that."

BOOM!

Japan: "OH MY GOD!"

It would have been a better move to bomb it close to the city, or perhaps on a nearby island.  Then, if they don't surrender, start moving progressively inward...
They actually didn't even believe us at first, that we had dropped a giant bomb on them. It took multiple reports and official investigations into the 'missing' city for Japan's officials to finally realize "Oh shit... that was an atomic weapon."

If we didn't even vaporize anything and intentionally missed, we just would have left radiation poisoning everywhere which took longer than the war to actually kill most people. That, and it took so much for them to realize an entire city had disappeared, can you imagine the trouble of convincing them that tsumani was actually from our bomb and not some crazy bluff centered around us knowing there was going to be a tsumani?

Well, the people going blind from the flash, not to mention the huge tsunami, might be a tip-off.

We can always make more, launching them progressively more inland.

Or bomb a military target.

It seems you underestimate how incredibly costly, how incredibly hard to make, and how incredibly destructive nuclear weapons are...
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Re: School kills creativity?
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2009, 05:55:45 pm »

AMERICA AN UNSTOPPABLE FORK!
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« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2009, 06:53:04 pm »

When taking inflation into account, making a warhead probably isn't quite as expensive as it used to be.

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Re: School kills creativity?
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2009, 07:15:20 pm »

Good lord, has everybody here read the Tick? And will I ever stop derailing threads? The world may never know.
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« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2009, 07:54:36 pm »

The way I heard it Japan was already willing to offer a conditional surrender. Dropping the nuclear bombs was mostly based on the demand for an unconditional surrender before the communists were marching through Tokyo...

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2009, 08:28:13 pm »

Let me attempt to put this thread back on track, away from the discussion of the use of the atomic bomb on Japanese cities.

All you whiny high-schoolers, all of you need to shut up. The purpose of the school system is not to foster creativity, it is for you to learn. To learn, among other things, the history of your civilization, the necessities you will need in the future, and most importantly, to become productive members of society.

Schools are far more rigorous elsewhere, and because of this fact, foreign high school students are outperforming you, and they are better prepared to become productive members of society than you are. That's why they come here and take all the high paying jobs. Meanwhile, you're taking remedial classes in college because high school failed to teach you what you need to know because it was concerned about your 'feelings'.

So shut up, stop whining, and start studying. And quit complaining about your creativity. Sheesh, you're still in high school. Euclid, Pythagoras, Aristotle, Democritus, Aneximander, Newton, Euler, Gauss, Faraday, Einstein, Feynman, and many, many others, were all far more creative than you. Maybe when you know what they knew, you can complain about your creativity being stifled.

And I went to a difficult high school, so I have the authority to talk. A mere few years ago, every day I was discussing a great work of the Western Tradition for two hours in the morning: Aristotle, Aquinas, Plato, Socrates, Marx, John Locke, Fyodor Dostoevsky, and a whole lot of others. And then in the afternoon I was evaluating integrals and studying the effects of the electric field. Oh, and I studied four years of Latin, too.

And don't give me that the education system was for the Industrial Revolution. Less than a half-century ago, the education system produced graduates capable of putting a man on the moon. So it's clearly effective, or should I say, it was effective.

So, quit your whining about your AP chemistry, or your English class, or how the education system stifles creativity. The way I see it, the education system is failing you, and you don't have the nerve to complain about that instead of your precious 'creativity'. You should be demanding more rigor from your classes, more homework, more school time, more difficult subject matter, because you will need it if you want any chance in hell of getting a satisfying job where you get to use that giant ball of gray mush in your head instead of at a fast food restaurant or a retail store.

tl;dr Shut up and go study.
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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2009, 09:14:47 pm »

I think you should shut up.  Not everyone here has been talking solely about "creativity."  No, more homework doesn't help.  There are several teachers across America who don't ever give homework and their students are doing just as well - if not better - than other students that have homework.

You are only expressing your own opinion based on your own experiences.

Times change, people change, yet the school system hasn't?  Good lord, that's how the more idiotic conservatives talk: "it worked before, it'll work now."
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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2009, 10:07:34 pm »

Must not derail thread further . . .

If anyone would like to continue argueing about the end of WWII, feel free to start another thread or congregate in my life's thread (as I started it).
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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2009, 10:38:27 pm »

Oh, and although the Japs did bomb us first, we still shouldn't have utterly annihilated 300,000 innocent lives.  Drop the bomb in the harbor first, and show them we aren't bluffing.

Truman was an asshole.

Somebody hasn't studied WW2...
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