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Jackrabbit

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I am stricken with a conscience
« on: April 17, 2009, 02:42:38 am »

It's a problem. If a game offers me a choice, to be good or evil I just can't choose to be bad. I can't. I find myself unable to kill anything innocent that acts human. Show me an Nazi and I'll fill it with lead. I can kill bandits by the bucket load and if any evil monster shoes up it'll be leaving without its head but I can't bring myself to kill something if it is innocent and acts and looks human, however slightly. Even now, as I play fallout tactics, I end up fleeing from the weak-ass civilians, who are attacking my convoy for food, because one of them, after being shot, lamented that no-one would look after his family. I just can't kill innocents. It leads to huge problems in games like GTA, let me tell you. Hell, in DF I won't slaughter a town because I just feel bad.

What's going on? Am I just sick? Even telling myself they're just a bunch of 1s and 0s doesn't help, I just don't get it.

Sigh...
« Last Edit: April 17, 2009, 03:02:32 am by Jackrabbit »
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2009, 02:52:58 am »

But what if the nazi only became a nazi because, due to the conditions in Germany at that time, combined with his own capabilities and situation, joining the nazis was the only reliable means of providing for his rather large family, most of them still children? What if the bandits were robbing the wealthy hero- you- to give to their downtrodden brethren in another city, who have been continuously pressed by the government you support? What if the evil monster is getting revenge for the villagers who happily ventured into its cavern while it was searching for food, and killed its only child, just for being monstrous looking?

There could be a comment in the code somewhere to support this. You could be committing mass binaricide.

I contradict myself. I'm usually pretty similar, though I have a low threshold for agitation by apparently peaceful entities. Did that giant eagle just give my legendary swordsman a gray wound? Okay. Tear its head off. - Er. Not a giant eagle. Bah, you know what I mean.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2009, 02:54:18 am »

You are not helping. I still laughed.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2009, 03:24:33 am »

I used to have this problem, It even got to the point that I had extreme difficulty in a RTCW mission. (Assassinate some SS officers... All fairly humanised)

What I did was I did bad things in games, over and over, I just acted as mean and evil as I could bear. After a while I was immune to what my consience told me.

Though now I have a problem being a good guy... Hmm...
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2009, 03:36:38 am »

So, tell me, SJ, are you a Keron or a Human IRL?
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2009, 03:38:55 am »

I have that problem, to a lesser degree. When I find a game that has slightly realistic evil/good scale (i.e. consequences for actions, not just a slider) I find it very hard to do bad things.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2009, 03:42:41 am »

It's odd but I have the same issue. A game like Fable or KOTOR comes out and everyone says it's fun to be evil, and it can be, but on first playthroughs, I'm always a good guy, then I try to be as bad as I can tolerate, but even so there are some things I just can't do. Just helped a guy through bandit country, he paid me, do I want to kill him? No, a contract is a goddamn contract! Also I can't sell someone or something into slavery. Even though they are just data and technically already are slaves to the program inasmuch as they even have emotion.

I doubt it bodes poorly for the collective "nice person psychosis" folks. It's better to be unable to be fake evil than to be unable to be real life good, right? I mean, it could be worse, you could be a sociopath.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2009, 03:44:51 am »

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, I went through the entire game using CQC to slit the throat of every single enemy that I could. I purposefully avoided using guns in favor of my knife in every situation that it was possible.

By the time the Sorrow's grief-fest came, I was walking up a river of HUNDREDS of headless commies!

That was great.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2009, 03:54:18 am »

I have the same thing. Fallout 3 has, however, the uncanny and very irritating habit of turning your good deeds into bad things (never trust a ghoul!). Some of those genuinly upset me.

I've never completed a game trying to play evil the second time through. Yay, I shot everyone in Megaton and then blew up the place. Yay, I killed everyone in Cheydinhall except the unkillable questgivers. So what? I really can't enjoy the evilness, somehow.

Depersonalised "targets" such as in Carmageddon I have no sympathy for... But fleshed-out characters I just can't seem to harm.

Although I did kill my first elven caravan (simple drowning) yesterday, and my first noble. After about half a year of playing DF. It felt good.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2009, 04:32:40 am »

actually outside of adventure mode i'm fine with being a totally evil bastard. Makes you think.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2009, 04:55:22 am »

What I always end up doing is playing through the game as a good guy, but savescumming to see what happens when I do evil things. The only time I'm ever really do evil things without savescumming is when I encounter something that really annoys me or is sterotypically evil - Nobles, beggars on Assassins Creed, tree huggers, Nazis, etc..

Good guys always have more side quests anyway.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2009, 04:57:22 am »

I think it depends on whether you play a person, or whether you are "god-like" as in Fortress mode, that makes you identify yourself differently within the game.

Maybe people like us just want people to like us... (yeah that was a lame grammarjoke)
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2009, 04:59:31 am »

What I always end up doing is playing through the game as a good guy, but savescumming to see what happens when I do evil things. The only time I'm ever really do evil things without savescumming is when I encounter something that really annoys me or is sterotypically evil - Nobles, beggars on Assassins Creed, tree huggers, Nazis, etc..

Good guys always have more side quests anyway.

I always (or mostly) savescum. It makes me feel better. Especially in DF, where characters are not coming back, ever, if they die.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2009, 06:27:31 am »

In a game I generally lean towards the good side.
To be evil, I have to be intentionally evil, and I still have that evil overlord "Oh I'll let them off this time to prove I'm not all bad" thing.
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Re: I am stricken with a conscience
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2009, 06:52:56 am »

I'm more or less the same way. I'm playing a chaotic evil PC (in a largely evil party) in a D&D game now, and it's been kinda rough. Chaotic I do very well with. Evil, not so much.

That being said, I have managed to kill a couple of helpless men, torture someobody for information (he became our cook) and sucker punch a child. I just tend to feel guilty afterwards.
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