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How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« on: April 14, 2009, 09:42:50 am »
According to the wiki, currently one of the main factors in deciding when you get a strange mood is how many underground tiles have been revealed.  Simply, the more you dig, the more moods you can get (there are other factors too).  The amount of digging required to get a mood is considerable, although exploratory digging is more effective at revealing tiles than digging out rooms.  I'm not sure what happens if you use a reveal tool.

I saw the unexpectedly large subterranean caverns in the screenshots today and wondered how they would affect the strange mood calculations.  The caves are easily large enough to house an entire fortress with minimal digging.  Will tiles inside caves be applied towards the revealed tile count?  For that matter, how are magma pools, underground lakes, etc. handled in this respect?
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2009, 10:10:04 am »
 Remember, moods also depend on other factors like population and possibly wealth. I can imagine dwarves getting inspiration from such giant caverns.

 And Toady did state he will work to have features take into account 3D positions as opposed to the tile approach we have now. Still, I'm totally flooding those caverns with magma when the next version comes out.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2009, 10:47:56 am »
Quote from: Duke 2.0 on April 14, 2009, 10:10:04 am
Still, I'm totally flooding those caverns with magma when the next version comes out.

It's the only way to be sure.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2009, 12:23:47 pm »
What? So those caverns in the screenies from Toady are actually going to implemented into the game?!! I thought they were tests or something. Wow this is gonna be great
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Quote from: irmo on October 23, 2009, 03:57:53 am
Rather than having them directly force you to mine adamantine, I would suggest that they give you strange moods that require adamantine. "Dig out the adamantine or Urist here goes insane and dies" is suitably vicious.

(It occurs to me that you can probably get "Lovecraft" as the random name of your fortress. That's when you know you're screwed.)

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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2009, 12:49:52 pm »
Quote from: Hoborobo234 on April 14, 2009, 12:23:47 pm
What? So those caverns in the screenies from Toady are actually going to implemented into the game?!! I thought they were tests or something. Wow this is gonna be great

I don't have any more information than anyone else, but I assume that if Toady's testing huge map-filling caves with off-map links, then that's at least one thing that will end up in the final version.  I could be wrong.  But I hope I'm not, because these shots look fantastic.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2009, 12:55:47 pm »
Quote from: Hoborobo234 on April 14, 2009, 12:23:47 pm
What? So those caverns in the screenies from Toady are actually going to implemented into the game?!! I thought they were tests or something. Wow this is gonna be great

They are tests.  Tests for stuff that will be even cooler.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 01:14:16 pm »
Sorry for my stupidity, but where are these pictures of caverns?
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 01:24:55 pm »
Quote from: ElChad on April 14, 2009, 01:14:16 pm
Sorry for my stupidity, but where are these pictures of caverns?

http://bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 02:41:00 pm »
oh my god. if those things get properly (re)populated it could revitalize adventure mode for me (you can only kill so many elves before it becomes dull).
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 02:58:56 pm »
Quote from: kotekzot on April 14, 2009, 02:41:00 pm
oh my god. if those things get properly (re)populated it could revitalize adventure mode for me (you can only kill so many elves before it becomes dull).

Repopulating them properly is one of the specific goals for the new underground.  And yeah, creatures will be able to enter wherever the map edge intersects a cavern or whatever.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 03:28:28 pm »
Quote from: Footkerchief on April 14, 2009, 02:58:56 pm
Quote from: kotekzot on April 14, 2009, 02:41:00 pm
oh my god. if those things get properly (re)populated it could revitalize adventure mode for me (you can only kill so many elves before it becomes dull).

Repopulating them properly is one of the specific goals for the new underground.  And yeah, creatures will be able to enter wherever the map edge intersects a cavern or whatever.

Does that mean if I somehow find an under ground gobblin road that I could see gobblins running through them. (I heard about the roads in an adventure mode wiki entrie.)
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 03:38:36 pm »
Underground roads are incredibly boring so far, unless they go through an interesting feature. Hopefully these new implaments can make them more interesting.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 03:46:55 pm »
Quote from: TheDJ17 on April 14, 2009, 03:28:28 pm
Does that mean if I somehow find an under ground gobblin road that I could see gobblins running through them. (I heard about the roads in an adventure mode wiki entrie.)

No, it just means repopulation of native creatures, not of civilized ones.  Roads are kind of a separate system that probably won't be utilized properly until Toady does more with armies and caravans so that civilized creatures will move around with goals and stuff.
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 03:50:48 pm »
Any word on what's going to come through these tunnels? Because I vote
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Re: How the new underground features and reveal changes will affect strange moods
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2009, 08:41:05 pm »
Well... In forests, we can have

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