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Coaldiamond

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What's with the brook lamprey?
« on: April 13, 2009, 05:36:05 pm »

Hey guys,

So in my last fort, I was bothered by how my dwarves had managed to drive all of the fish into extinction. However, I always saw brook lamprey critters hanging out in my artificial lakes and aqueduct.

Now, my fisherdwarves cared nothing for the brook lamprey, and that didn't bother me until I realized that the human caravan brought meat from brook lamprey. What gives? Are my fisherdwarves, who are naturally closer to the water than any fisherman, somehow unable to grip a lamprey in the pole-less hands? Are these humans the kind that stand in brooks and wait for the blood suckers to latch on?
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2009, 05:42:41 pm »

Do you have it set to be that dwarves only fish in designated zones? Do your designated zones have brook lampreys in them?
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 05:54:03 pm »

Upon examining the raws, it looks like brook lamprey do not possess the [VERMIN_FISH] tag, while other normal fish do.  I'd suggest opening up .\raw\objects\creature_small_ocean.txt, finding the entry for brook lamprey, and adding [VERMIN_FISH] immediately after [VERMIN_GROUNDER].  Save that, restart DF and load your map, and see what happens.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 06:09:30 pm »

You want to catch these?

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I believe that lampreys are not vermin fish, but creatures, like carp.

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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 06:16:24 pm »

That looks like what I imagine a carp would be like, only MUCH less vicious and you know, not DWARF blood-thirsty.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 06:39:29 pm »

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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2009, 06:54:47 pm »

That looks like what I imagine a carp would be like, only MUCH less vicious and you know, not DWARF blood-thirsty.

Think of it like this, Carp are like aquatic werewolves, lamprey are like aquatic vampire. Carp want to tear your dwarves limb from limb and feast on their delicious entrails. Lamprey are content to latch on, and stay latched until the dwarf is just a dry sack of skin. It is a slow death.

...maybe not really. I've never actually had any trouble with lamprey.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2009, 06:56:38 pm »

 That is odd, as only vermin can spontaneously generate.

 This calls for non-lesbian experimentation.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2009, 07:12:18 pm »

I believe that lampreys are not vermin fish, but creatures, like carp.
That's what my first thought was, but they do have other [VERMIN_] tags, just not the one that allows them to be fished.  And they're in the creature_small file, not the creature_large, so it stands to reason that they were intended as vermin.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 07:41:40 pm »

There are two kinds of lamprey: Sea lampreys, which are creature fish which will maim and kill your dwarves, and brook lampreys, which are lowly vermin. Oddly enough, sea lampreys will show up in streams and rivers as well as...you know, the sea.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2009, 09:24:53 am »

So my brother told me there's the off chance a cave spider will bite your forfs and paralyze them. Perhaps forever.

If it's true maybe the brook lamprey is a fish sort-of representant of dangerous vermin..? or something? I don't know.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2009, 11:35:40 am »

Maybe they are programmed to be unfishable because IRL, you'd only catch lampreys because they were attached to another fish. I'd imagine the brook lamprey would make sense to be a vermin in the inventory of a larger fish like a Carp.

They're basically giant leeches, and its some of the nastiest food you could ever consider eating anyways.
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Re: What's with the brook lamprey?
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 04:06:31 pm »

That is odd, as only vermin can spontaneously generate.

 This calls for non-lesbian experimentation.

The worst kind of experimentation.
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