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« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2009, 01:54:17 am »

And, if you can turn someone into a statue, will there be a magical way to turn them back into what they were before? And will htere be a way to turn statues into whatever they look like?

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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2009, 08:49:17 pm »

*Smiles a bit at the assorted in-game quotes.* I am guessing you would put the elven legs on to increase speed?

@Neonivek:  I don't know how it would be coded, but I think stoning should effect everything at once, that sounds like it would effect only the flesh first. And if you used tags, it would make the dwarf into a golem a some sort; still moving. You need to replace the dwarf with a special type of statue, that may be used as a normal one, but has numerous other attributes. Such as the effect upon friends/lovers/enemies/haters, and saving the data for the dwarf it was made out of to make it possible to change back.

@RAM:  That would be great! In every other game, and universe I have seen, they don't allow statues to be changed into flesh. I am guessing that your example would be the case for everything but masterful and legendary statues, those would be something useful. I wonder if fleshing a artifact statue would be a good thought for the creator...it would be cool if the animated artifact statue would be labeled as "son" or "daughter" for the artifact makers relations.
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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2009, 08:59:31 pm »

Most likely "creation".

And yeah, only masterpiece and artifacts.  Accidentally the whole goblin squad. Laugh.
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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2009, 10:41:42 am »

Medusa, by my understanding, was a member of a family of Gorgons (so you could say that her full name is Medusa Gorgon, but the other Gorgons are all monstrous deities of some sort or another, so...) but was once a human. 

You see, Medusa was a very pretty human girl who discovered the secret of shampoo (I'm not making this up!) and her resulting hair made Aphrodite jealous, and so turned her hair into snakes and made her so ugly that to look at her face would turn a man to stone.

Greek gods took vengence to really extreme levels, and when they get jealous, they get REALLY jealous.  Athena was the nicest of them, actually treating (some) mortals with something approaching dignity, although she still toyed with people too. Arachnae, for instance, was not murdered upon bragging she could weave better than Athena, but actually given the chance to prove it, and when she proved she -was- as good as Athena, Athena -actually spared her-!  Except another god came along and messed her up (because the weaving was god pornography), and she got turned into a spider.
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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2009, 05:35:49 pm »

  I guess it would be called that, but I think there should be information added depending upon how the creator feels about the creation. "Creation - Loved." "Creation - Abandoned (Frankenstein's Monster). "Creation - friend".

  Actually, both of the stories you have posted are permutations. Remember that Greek stories have many different versions, and there isn't a source on the internet that will give you the original. Here is the one I have favored. A young man and a young woman (named Medusa) go to an old broken down temple of Hera to be alone, and start messing around. This enrages Hera (for numerous reasons that are debated in many places), and she turns Medusa into a monster as she looks into her lover's eyes. Thus, her love is turned into a cold statue, and she also becomes enraged. After this there are many different possibilities for what she does next and her motivations (curse coercions).

  The jealousy, vengeance, and spite of those deities are certainly in every version of the stories though.
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« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2009, 11:45:05 pm »

Another thought, what about other kinds of gaze attacks? Like from the Flying Eyes that appear in so many fantasy games?
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« Reply #36 on: May 04, 2009, 12:42:10 am »

Speaking of flying eyes: the bull-gorgons also showed up in the Castlevania games, sometimes called Gorgons, sometimes called Catoblepas. (Neat, a citation!)
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« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2009, 04:40:23 am »

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Athena was the nicest of them

It is hardly a contest... since it would boil down to "Who isn't the worst!"

Heck Hades is relatively benign when it comes to mortals.
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« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2009, 05:34:12 am »

In every other game, and universe I have seen, they don't allow statues to be changed into flesh.
Nethack. The story of Pygmalion.

Though I agree that only undamaged masterwork statues should have a reasonable chance to produce undamaged creatures when (re)turned to flesh.
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« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2009, 02:48:51 pm »

MAybe it would turn you to stone and paralyze you? Adn the only antidote: ground up stone people mixed with gorgon blood.
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« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2009, 04:11:16 pm »

What I can try to in the time between now in the magic arc is mod a basilisk that attacks with a paralyzing ranged attack from it's eyes.

It's not great, but it does essentially the same thing.
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« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2009, 06:33:33 pm »

How would you get the attack tag to do that? I don't see that information in the wiki...
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« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2009, 06:37:54 pm »

This is all very theoretical suggestion stuff.  You can't, yet.
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2009, 10:31:18 pm »

  Oh, remember the death messages Toady has in the game? I think there should be variants for being turned to stone. And some other events for when you die in such a way. For instance, after the medusa turns you to stone, it would say in a few moments "the medusa admires your statue", "the random giant cave spider examines your statue", "Urist Cannonfoder gawks at your statue", "you are knocked over and smashed to pieces".
 Checking Temperature: Cold as stone.
 Trying to do something: Being a statue is hard.
 Checking the weather: Stone weathers.

 Medusa admiring a victim? (However oddly.)

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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2009, 02:13:05 pm »

What's being referred to as a "medusa" is actually a gorgon; Medusa is the name of a specific gorgon. 8)

Naw there is little consistancy in mythology. Gorgons also sometimes refer to bulls that breathe poisons that turn people into stone.

No, the bull thing is a freakin' catoblepas.

Dern HOMM and other American pop culture messing junk like that up all the time.
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