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Author Topic: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail (Updated 2/09/11)  (Read 100588 times)

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #885 on: December 20, 2010, 03:30:55 am »

Screw this. No more shall we be tread upon.
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."

Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #886 on: December 20, 2010, 05:16:59 am »

Don't worry about it, girl.
We like you.

I don't like this other one.
Break her heart.
Break it good.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #887 on: December 20, 2010, 09:02:22 am »

Screw this. No more shall we be tread upon.
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."

Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.

This is a good idea. Once she is properly terrified, go to the music box, turn it up and start DANCING!

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #888 on: December 20, 2010, 09:42:07 am »

I believe you should say 'strange', And gaze into her sou in complete silence. If she has self esteem issues, try to emotion a look as if all around her have suddenly began looking upon her. In silence. Completely ignore insults as if you are deaf when she says them, her opinions don't matter anyway.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #889 on: December 20, 2010, 10:09:36 am »

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Confront her about her true complaint about not having her name on the letter.  We need to end any animosity with potentially allied parties ASAP.  We don't want anyone to hit us by surprise later, when we are busy with more pressing matters.  We will also all allies we can muster.  We don't know what we may end up facing.

Also demand the Angel tell you exactly who she mentioned she wanted to kill.  I don't want her having any more knowledge we don't have than she has to.

Do all this while eating their cake.
Screw this. No more shall we be tread upon.
Go creepy style. Lower you voice, narrow your eyes, smile and whisper something like:
"Oh, how you'd have loved to have your name on that letter, wouldn't you? Don't worry, little girl. When it's dark, and the spiders creepycrawl all over your skin, it'll be your turn..."

Allies Schmallies. It's dancing time. But with a lot more cutting and a lot less dancing.

:"What makes you think you have the RIGHT to even be here?!"

...


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: "...What did you say?"

:">:D You heard me."

:"RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!"

:"Elbow rotation is a go."



:"Break her strings!"

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #890 on: December 20, 2010, 10:28:21 am »

YES! BREAK THE STRINGS! END HER!

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #891 on: December 20, 2010, 10:32:08 am »

SOPHIA NO! PLEASE STOP! FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #892 on: December 20, 2010, 11:31:37 am »

DON'T DO IT! IT'S MURDER! Please, Sophie, you are not a murderer. This angel is tricking you! These "puppets" are still people, and killing them is still murder, and their suffering or affection still matters! Please, make yourself worthy of your name; THINK, and be wise. To think people are lesser simply because their brains are not physically located in their bodies is nothing but bigotry.  Those urges to kill, to harm, to alienate; they are your enemy, don't listen to them. Please, get ahold of yourself.

Do not cut her strings, instead do exactly as follows: Observe them, closely, see how they move and what makes the system tick, then ever so gently find the part that corresponds to her pain, and untangle it. Give her peace, a chance to live a happy life without that weight. To cut all of her strings would be murder, but to affect just the single one tearing her apart might free her.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #893 on: December 20, 2010, 11:34:33 am »


They are "puppets", but what does that mean? Presumably, that they are in on form or another, remote controlled, fully or partially, by another entity.
But here's the thing: there are very many, and they are controlled 24/7 and in much greater detail than a human playing a role. Each one requires it's own chunk of substrate - be it actual brain tissue, a computer, some kind of dream essence, magic, or anything else - dedicated to it. Further, even if the hardware is the same the models of their mind must be kept separate in order to stay in character, as you always have to do when roleplaying multiple characters. The model of each mind still needs to be imagined to think that whatever pain, joy, loyalties and choices it makes are real, and the computation of this unavoidably subsumes a computation of those things themselves.
The bottom line is: these are people, their minds don't reside in their body, but even if neither they nor the puppeteer nor anyone else but you realize this, it is fact: The only way to give an illusion of personhood this good, one that have held up for years, is to create what is for moral purposes an ACTUAL person. Intentionally or not.
A person are, at the very core, an idea, information. There is no such thing as an illusion of information, you cannot name an image of a text without it containing the actual text, there's just the very same information presented through a different substrate. Substrate has no bearing on morality.

Your past self may even believe what she is saying, and the puppet might be pulling a bluff, but that doesn't matter. You are Sophia, and you name is not a coincidence. A truth may be unintentional from someone trying to lie, and the nature of progress is that you are wiser than your own past.
Ultimately, it is a question of morality. Is moral agency being an independent structure made from carbon, or the ability to think and feel?

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #894 on: December 20, 2010, 11:40:30 am »

Okay, fine, Armok. If the god of blood wants to save the puppets so badly, then my suggestion is to DANCE!

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #895 on: December 20, 2010, 11:42:05 am »

Armok speaks sense. IF you listen always to Angel, who then is the puppet?

Ignore the crying girl on the floor. Go have some chips.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #896 on: December 20, 2010, 11:43:07 am »

And dip. And some soda. Wait what were we talking about?
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #897 on: December 20, 2010, 11:47:19 am »

This girl is suffering, do as I said, see if you can ease her pain and undo harm you did without causing any new.
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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #898 on: December 20, 2010, 11:53:18 am »

YES! BREAK THE STRINGS! END HER!

SOPHIA NO! PLEASE STOP! FOR YOUR OWN GOOD!

:"She is a bane upon your life.  Destroy her."


They are "puppets", but what does that mean? Presumably, that they are in on form or another, remote controlled, fully or partially, by another entity.
But here's the thing: there are very many, and they are controlled 24/7 and in much greater detail than a human playing a role. Each one requires it's own chunk of substrate - be it actual brain tissue, a computer, some kind of dream essence, magic, or anything else - dedicated to it. Further, even if the hardware is the same the models of their mind must be kept separate in order to stay in character, as you always have to do when roleplaying multiple characters. The model of each mind still needs to be imagined to think that whatever pain, joy, loyalties and choices it makes are real, and the computation of this unavoidably subsumes a computation of those things themselves.
The bottom line is: these are people, their minds don't reside in their body, but even if neither they nor the puppeteer nor anyone else but you realize this, it is fact: The only way to give an illusion of personhood this good, one that have held up for years, is to create what is for moral purposes an ACTUAL person. Intentionally or not.
A person are, at the very core, an idea, information. There is no such thing as an illusion of information, you cannot name an image of a text without it containing the actual text, there's just the very same information presented through a different substrate. Substrate has no bearing on morality.

Your past self may even believe what she is saying, and the puppet might be pulling a bluff, but that doesn't matter. You are Sophia, and you name is not a coincidence. A truth may be unintentional from someone trying to lie, and the nature of progress is that you are wiser than your own past.
Ultimately, it is a question of morality. Is moral agency being an independent structure made from carbon, or the ability to think and feel?


:"If she is destroyed, the puppetmasters live on!  This isn't murder!  It's a correction upon a life made a living hell!"

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:"..Am I a monster?"















:"...Is this even possible?!"











:"..."                                                                                    "Sophia...is that you?"



:"Yes, Alice?"

: :'( "I'm so sorry!  Sorry for everything!"

:"I forgive you.  Let's be friends again."

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Re: Do not trust the Rainbow Snail
« Reply #899 on: December 20, 2010, 12:01:11 pm »

No fiddling with specific strings? Just grab the whole bunch and give a command? That could be useful...
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