I'm calling bullshit, pull up some sources for all this. Because frankly, it looks like your pulling all this shit from your arse.
heres some things I've read:
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=5163
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article418665.ece
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2008/10/2008109174223218644.html
In these three links 2/3 of it was the same stuff.
Sure, I agreed they do dump toxic waste. But why attack Cruise Lines, Yachts and ships carrying food aid? That is hardly going to stop the dumping of toxic waste. Why cannot they only attack ships that dump toxic waste? Where is the proof that
they are cleaning up the coastlines? In regards to the other articles, all I've read so far is them spending it on drugs, weapons, cars, women and multi-million houses.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia
impeded the delivery of food aid shipments
This is great.
http://www.mylot.com/w/newsarticle/1667261.aspx
That's fantastic. But what happens when the arms dealers dry up, what happens when the pirates are gone? These people don't have long-term infrastructure that is in any developed country. Hospitals are not mentioned in the article, so I'm going to assume they don't have any. They
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7650415.stmhttp://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-somalia-pirates_salopek1oct10,0,6155016.story
Mostly, they say their attacks are tough payback for the world community's abuse of prostrate Somalia's territory and resources.
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Experts worry that piracy's quick and dirty spurts of cash into Somalia's coastal communities will destroy the local fishing industry once and for all.
See? It says it here, this piracy has a good chance of eliminating the local fishing industry, destroying that long-term potential. The money pirates get in Somalia (100million) isn't being spread across people, it isn't being spent into long term jobs, nor into projects that benefit the whole community. They employ 15,000 people (according to this article), yet there is approx. 10 000 000 people in the country. That's 9 980 000 people not directly benefiting from this piracy, some of them being worse off from it.
Now that's all from Somalia, have you read any articles from other areas where there is a high concentration of piracy?
It's up to the government to prevent this
Their part of the problem, not the solution.
A Government is
the solution.
Pirates operating out of countries are preventing these countries to gain a democratic government, to stop this.
At this point I cant help but to say this is ignorant. Even if they did do that it would still take years to set up a working government. What the companys did was wrong, the pirates who captured those ships are the heros here.
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A state of anarchy, in any country, only helps a tiny, tiny percentage of the population. As is the case here. The pirates are benefiting immensely, but the rest of the country is not. Sure it's going to take years, but it's better to have a working government in years than not at all!
Oh and by the way Cow, the lawlessness in Somalia and other countries does not make their lives better
Never said it did.
You kind, specifically, directly said that.
and drives Somalia deeper, and deeper into lawlessness.
Thats fine, their lives are better.
Try and not be contradictory to yourself?
Frankly Cow, you have shown ZERO empathy towards annoying victimized by the pirates. Other than the pirates who are gaining from this.
Empathy isent needed towards the victims of the pirates that are kidnapped, their not being tortured or killed. I guess it takes some time for them to be released, but thats just a temporary discomfort, they are treated well.
Empathy is always needed when talking about victims of any kind. The trauma of even being kidnapped can be devastating to alot of people. Being treated well is the majority of the time, that's great. But what about when the Captain of the ship gets hung of the back of the boat, directly over the propellers, and is given an ultimatum "give us the code to the safe or we'll drop you," is no empathy needed there? Is that not traumatic? What about the sailors fearing for their life when the pirates shoot at their ship? What about when they get injured from shrapnel? What about when they are fired upon with RPGs and grenade launchers? Do none of these situations require empathy to understand?
Question Cow, you seem to say that pirates are just the average person out to make a dollar. Well if that is that case, how did they get weapons in the first place? And boats? They certainly couldn't start piracy on their dollar-a-day wage they make.
Vegabond fishermen or sailors usualy have a boat from their job, guns are bought from dealers on debt.
Fine. They get their guns, the ammo. They go ransom for a million dollars. How do they get more? they go back to the dealer buy more, giving the dealer more money and letting him go give guns to murders in other countries to kill and maim the people in that country. Sure the Pirates aren't actively promoting this, but neither are they stopping this.
or he somehow thinks he's being cool by rooting for the "little guy" even though in this situation the workers on the ships would be the little guy.
I've heard this before. Im rooting for the "little guy" becuase what their doing is right, and I feel is justified.
Silliest thing I've heard all discussion.
Also, I'm a sailor. Not on a merchant or commercial vessel, but I'm a sailor. I have also stolen things. Temporarily. On the water. Does this qualify me as a pirate? I think it does.
Nope. Piracy is robbery/criminal violence between two vessels, if a sailor partakes in this, he is a pirate. I assume you weren't talking about that? If you were - Yes. If not, no.
Shut up Johny. Shut up CowofDoom. Both of you look like your pulling shit out of your ass, and It pisses me off.
How about adding to the argument? Not taking away from it? If you don't like us discussing things, get out of General
Discussions.EDIT: Don't call me Johny. My name only has one H in it, and that is after the T!
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