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Author Topic: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?  (Read 2395 times)

Aggiedog

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After a few world gens, I managed to get a 184 z-level map (with 166 z-levels above ground). It has a chasm, pit, magma pipe, underground river, hfs, sand, and a bit of trees. If you generate it, keep continuing on each reject.





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Now, has anyone gotten any higher? My previous record was 165 before this generation.
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SimRobert2001

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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2009, 01:37:22 am »

O.O Impressive...

Though, i have to ask, does it have iron?
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2009, 02:42:20 am »

Have you tried playing it? I've heard that z-levels hit frame rate hard but I've never noticed it because I've never had more than the minimum +/- 3 or 4.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2009, 03:50:21 am »

Have you tried playing it? I've heard that z-levels hit frame rate hard but I've never noticed it because I've never had more than the minimum +/- 3 or 4.

Yes, that is going to have a huge hit on his frame rate after a while. Playing with anything approaching a normal fortress is going to slow to a crawl after a while. Also the sheer size of the embark area is going to effect frames.

I think this is more of 'how high can you go' thread, with no real intention of ever really embarking on the map in question.

But who knows, I could be wrong.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2009, 11:22:13 am »

Have you tried playing it? I've heard that z-levels hit frame rate hard but I've never noticed it because I've never had more than the minimum +/- 3 or 4.

Yes, that is going to have a huge hit on his frame rate after a while. Playing with anything approaching a normal fortress is going to slow to a crawl after a while. Also the sheer size of the embark area is going to effect frames.

I think this is more of 'how high can you go' thread, with no real intention of ever really embarking on the map in question.

But who knows, I could be wrong.

I thought that the biggest frame eater is pathfinding. And open space should not affect it much.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2009, 11:38:50 am »

Have you tried playing it? I've heard that z-levels hit frame rate hard but I've never noticed it because I've never had more than the minimum +/- 3 or 4.

Yes, that is going to have a huge hit on his frame rate after a while. Playing with anything approaching a normal fortress is going to slow to a crawl after a while. Also the sheer size of the embark area is going to effect frames.

I think this is more of 'how high can you go' thread, with no real intention of ever really embarking on the map in question.

But who knows, I could be wrong.

I thought that the biggest frame eater is pathfinding. And open space should not affect it much.
It is.  I embarked on a 16x16 map the other day on my T61 laptop and it was getting 75fps on an Intel integrated GPU.  When the ramping jobs started, it dropped a bit, but it was still quite playable.  I normally hover around 80fps on 6x6 maps.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2009, 12:23:20 pm »

DOn't forget about all those flying creatures. They now have more open space to fly through. In addition, you're more likely to have more of them. 
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2009, 12:59:59 pm »

Now that i think about it, doens't a pocket world have a higher FPS rate anyway?
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2009, 02:25:53 pm »

I don't think it's a huge issue for fliers. It might even be less of an issue; they're presumably pathing as the crow flies, not as the wolf runs. Less obstacles, and such.

As for pocket worlds, I really can't say. I imagine it's because of the smaller world population?
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2009, 02:42:00 pm »

I know pocket worlds save extremely quickly, but I've never noticed any FPS differences.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 03:54:59 pm »

Now make a staircase of crystal glass from the lowest z-level to the highest. You can have it go somewhere on the top if you want, but I suggest just leaving it. And then, designate the bottom of it as a bedroom, preferably assigned to a female dorf with a preference for gold. That way, once the economy kicks in, you'll have a lady whose sure all that glitters is gold, and she'll be buying a Stairway to Heaven.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 04:17:58 pm »

From what I've noticed from my normal 6x6 maps is that Z-Levels really affect Frame Rate. When I browsing levels to play on, I had one that was filled with everything and a max height mountain that went to 1 z level above ocean.

Most sheer cliff you could ever get... However it was bad... between the water and all the Zlevels, it'd be unplayable at a 50+ fort size. The nice thing was all of the monsters that showed up.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 06:23:59 pm »

Large maps will only effect frame rate if your dwarves end up having to check the entire map to find a path.
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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2009, 09:02:39 pm »

I've had plenty of tall maps with goodies, but they were all heavily customized worlds. The one I like the most is a 77 z-level (aboveground) map made by the default world generator. It's on a terrifying mountain with a brook, flux, sand, HFS and a volcano within a 5x4 area. It had shrubs but no trees. I've generated literally dozens of default worlds looking for spoiled tall maps and this is the best I've been able to get.

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Re: 184 z-levels (And plenty of goodies to boot). Can anyone get higher?
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 12:41:48 am »

Taller areas should take longer to pathfind considering that they have a greater volume. Being able to build to pretty much anywhere can really take its toll on larger maps.
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