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[Rowanas]

lolwut.

There was no Hell in Greece, there was only Hades, ruled by Hades, which was where everyone went. And he didn't kill Hades, it being really really hard to kill a God. He just got his love back from him. Not that that's not impressive.

Sorry, wrong again. Lots of people went to the underworld to reclaim lost loves, but Hercules (or "Eracles as he would be in anglicised classical Greek) was not one of them.

EDIT: He did go nuts and kill his wife and kids though.

[Jackrabbit]

lolwut.

There was no Hell in Greece, there was only Hades, ruled by Hades, which was where everyone went. And he didn't kill Hades, it being really really hard to kill a God. He just got his love back from him. Not that that's not impressive.

Sorry, wrong again. Lots of people went to the underworld to reclaim lost loves, but Hercules (or "Eracles as he would be in anglicised classical Greek) was not one of them.

EDIT: He did go nuts and kill his wife and kids though.

Ah. Figures. Either way, he was a smug git.

[Neonivek]

Actually there was a Hell in Greece, Several of them.

But mainly here is how it is:

There is Hades, that is the nexus
Then there is the Ellesion Fields (spelled incorrectly) which is pretty much heaven
Then there is Tartarus which is basically modern day hell

[Jackrabbit]

Greece is confusing.

[Lord Shonus]

I don't see a difference (programatically) between a hero cult and new religion...  A hero cult is just a nacent one that will probably die out when the hero does.

Not exactly what was intended. What the OP meant was that a suitable dwarf could "ascend" onto godhood upon his death, in the same way as Heracles, Achilles, and other mythological figures

[chucks]

I like the idea of great heroes either becoming minor demi-gods, saints, eternal champions of some god, etc. etc. so on and so forth.  Diverse and plentiful pantheons are fun, especially if they war and clash with other incompatible pantheons.

Thus did Copyright laws become incredably stupid.

While I believe there should be copyright... I don't think you should (You can but you shouldn't) be capable of copyrighting something that has been around for thousands of years.

Well at least Copyright laws arn't entirely silly. Apperantly you can't copyright function... or at least that is what I got from when Hooters tried to sue another restaurant for using sexy clothing.
-Note: Don't read too much into this. I have no respect for Hooters.

I normally refrain from political pitches, but I fear the world is slipping away from caring about the individual mad genius anymore.  If you don't like copyright abuses, patent abuses, governments supporting and propping up failures of undead corporate giants (*cough cough*  GM  *cough cough*), it's worth it to take a look.  They currently have representation in Sweden and a seat (possibly two in the near future) in the European Parliment.  Why be a dirty tree-hugging, fur-spray-painting liberal when you can raise high the Jolly Roger!

[Pilsu]

Whether this makes any sense is largely dependent on how Toady's religion in general works

[Granite26]

I don't see a difference (programatically) between a hero cult and new religion...  A hero cult is just a nacent one that will probably die out when the hero does.

Not exactly what was intended. What the OP meant was that a suitable dwarf could "ascend" onto godhood upon his death, in the same way as Heracles, Achilles, and other mythological figures

That's exactly what was intended...  Unless you are claiming that Christ's literal ascension into heaven (Atheists: I mean the story goes literally ascended, not that that's exactly what happened historically... Chill out) is functionally different?  Fine, so according to the OP, the hero gets real world divine power and the cult doesn't die and it's not a new religion, but an addition to the pantheon, but these are all metaphysics questions to be handled by the metaphysics raws, not innate differences in the system.  It's a question of scale and variables, not basic process

[Servant Corps]

No, there is a functional difference. The religion only gets formed AFTER he dies.

There is no indictation that the hero is acutally a god, just that the hero gets worshipped as a God.

[Granite26]

No, there is a functional difference. The religion only gets formed AFTER he dies.

There is no indictation that the hero is acutally a god, just that the hero gets worshipped as a God.

Semantics based on the system... It's a single tag in the raw <NEWGODPOWER>  Just set it to zero.  I'm pretty sure that Buddhism and Christianity qualified as religions before their founder died.  They may have changed rapidly and drastically without a central authority, but they were still religions

[Grendus]

lolwut.

There was no Hell in Greece, there was only Hades, ruled by Hades, which was where everyone went. And he didn't kill Hades, it being really really hard to kill a God. He just got his love back from him. Not that that's not impressive.

Sorry, wrong again. Lots of people went to the underworld to reclaim lost loves, but Hercules (or "Eracles as he would be in anglicised classical Greek) was not one of them.

EDIT: He did go nuts and kill his wife and kids though.

He was driven insane by Hera because she hated him for being Zeus's bastard child. Hercules wasn't crazy, just stupid. Hercules ascended to godhood when he died mostly because of his fame and his relation to the gods.

He did, however, rescue the wife of one of his friends (mostly out of guilt because he got completely wasted while his friend was mourning) by putting Death in a headlock until he agreed to put her spirit back in her body.

[Rowanas]

Ah. did wikipedia tell you that or is it a genuine knowledge of classical mythology? I hope it's the latter, because it gives me hope that the entire earth hasn't become the intellectual wasteland I think it is.

[Grendus]

Well, I checked with wikipedia, but most of it I got from Edith Hamilton's book on mythology. It's a pretty good summary of Greek mythology, albeit a short one.

[Rowanas]

Wasteland it is, then

[ChairmanPoo]

if heros are going to become worshippable then hero status should be harder to attain. It's ridiculous that by just having some dudes spar in the barracks ad nauseam they will become objects of worship.


Albeit, TBH, one did kill a patrol of a hammergoblin and several bowgoblins without suffering any damage (which I didnt expect). Seems armor and shield do add survivavility.