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[Volfram]

Come on, people.

Anyway, official WoW derailment is over, now lets continue...

Besides that, my favorite MMOs are Uru Live and Monster Hunter Frontier.

I wish Capcom wasn't being so paranoid about non-Japanese players in Japanese servers.  They still pay for their subscriptions and it means they want it, but they threaten with no Stateside release if we don't stay off their servers or if we make private servers locally.

Which is why I haven't actually played it yet...

[Rutilant]

I kinda imagined them to look more like Nix Hounds from Morrowind. Ignoring everything the raws say, of course.

[G-Flex]

That's why I said "the most hardcore WoW" players and not just "WoW players".

Probably still rash of me, but I was specifically trying to refer to the ones who go completely overboard about the game, and you have to admit there are a lot of those people around.

It's the most popular MMO out there.  Of course you're going to find more stupid people on it.

But on the same token, you find more smart people on it, too.

Different things have different types of fanbases. The percentage of single-minded geeks on WoW definitely seems higher than in a lot of other places, and I attribute this simply to the fact that it's an MMO that encourages a lot of time commitment. I mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but I'm not going to buy the argument that the only reason there are a lot of ridiculous people on WoW is because there are so many people on WoW, since not every userbase has the same percentages of the same kinds of people. It certainly helps, but reducing it to that one fact seems like something of a cop-out. I don't even necessarily hold this against the game itself: I like a lot of things whose fanbases have a large contingent of ridiculous people.

[Brendan]

I always imagined them as quadropedal owlbears.

Armok being David Bowie, or vice versa, would be completely awesome.

[G-Flex]

I think the confusion was around because of the fact that, in the raws, they're given humanoid bodies. So they've always been known to be bipedal.

[Creamcorn]

I think the confusion was around because of the fact that, in the raws, they're given humanoid bodies. So they've always been known to be bipedal.

Also doing some looking at the raws we can see that.

1.Beak Dogs are the same height of a human 7
2.Comparing that to Goblins 6 that Toady seemingly matched what was represented in the movie.
3.That in all honesty they're not as impressive from horses, beakdogs are rarer, have a small population cluster and are not as useful as horses.
4. But four! That they do much more damage than horses.

Beakdog raws

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:BEAK_DOG]
   [NAME:beak dog:beak dogs:beak dog]
   [TILE:'B'][COLOR:4:0:0]
   [MODVALUE:2]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][FREQUENCY:25]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:10:20]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:7]
   [LARGE_PREDATOR][EVIL][MOUNT][MEANDERER]
   [PETVALUE:50]
   [GRASSTRAMPLE:0]
   [BONECARN]
   [PREFSTRING:chatters and clicks]
   [PREFSTRING:hunched backs]
   [PREFSTRING:large beaks]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [BODYGLOSS:PAW:CLAW_HAND]
   [SIZE:7]
   [MAXAGE:10:20]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:beak dog pup:beak dog pups]
   [FAT:1]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [BIOME:MARSH_TEMPERATE_FRESHWATER]
   [BIOME:MARSH_TEMPERATE_SALTWATER]
   [BIOME:MARSH_TROPICAL_FRESHWATER]
   [BIOME:MARSH_TROPICAL_SALTWATER]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]

Horse raws

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:HORSE]
   [NAME:horse:horses:horse]
   [TILE:'H'][COLOR:7:0:0]
   [PETVALUE:200]
   [PREFSTRING:strength]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][COMMON_DOMESTIC][WAGON_PULLER]
   [BENIGN][MEANDERER][PET]
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:MOUTH]
   [BODYGLOSS:HOOF][NATURAL][MOUNT]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:15:30]
   [CLUSTER_NUMBER:3:7]
   [SIZE:9]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:STANCE:kick:kicks:1:2:BLUDGEON][ATTACKFLAG_WITH]
   [CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:horse foal:horse foals]
   [FAT:5]
   [DIURNAL]
   [BIOME:GRASSLAND_TEMPERATE]
   [BIOME:SAVANNA_TEMPERATE]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10068]
   [LAYERING:100]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [MUNDANE]

[LegoLord]

I attribute this simply to the fact that it's an MMO that encourages a lot of time commitment. I mean, I'm not 100% sure about that, but I'm not going to buy the argument that the only reason there are a lot of ridiculous people on WoW is because there are so many people on WoW,

Oh, what is it . . .
Final Fantasy Online?
Anyway, you're way behind the time.  WoW isn't nearly so time consuming anymore, according to my brother.

[Rutilant]

Right now, WoW's about as far from an MMORPG as you can get while still being an MMORPG. Any LESS time commitment and it'd be an MMO-action game with loot.

[Duke 2.0]

Right now, WoW's about as far from an MMORPG as you can get while still being an MMORPG. Any LESS time commitment and it'd be an MMO-action game with loot.

Which is what all MMO's should strive to be.
I'm looking at YOU Korean MMOs.

[LegoLord]

Right now, WoW's about as far from an MMORPG as you can get while still being an MMORPG. Any LESS time commitment and it'd be an MMO-action game with loot.

Why on earth would time commitment=MMORPG?  There are several single-player games that take far more time commitment than most MMORPGs.  Low-FPS DF is a good example.

[Rutilant]

Right now, WoW's about as far from an MMORPG as you can get while still being an MMORPG. Any LESS time commitment and it'd be an MMO-action game with loot.

Why on earth would time commitment=MMORPG?  There are several single-player games that take far more time commitment than most MMORPGs.  Low-FPS DF is a good example.

Sorry; It was just a very convoluted, tongue-in-cheek way of saying that I think the game is far too easy and goes from "Develop your character" (hence the RPG part) to "Run around killing things with your epic gear to farm money for the sake of having money" in practically less time than you can pay your first billing cycle.

[Jim Groovester]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been mentioned yet as to what Beak Dogs look like. Now that I've seen them like that, I can no longer see them in any other manner.

[Volfram]

I like that wallpaper.  Has a real Tim Burton feel about it.

[G-Flex]

The wallpaper is nice, but I don't like that image of beak dogs. The prefstring says they have hunched backs, and that wallpaper's beak dogs don't look like something anything could actually use as a mount.

[Jim Groovester]

I don't think beak dogs have any sort of description that merits them being used as a mount in any fashion. Humanoids with hunched backs? Maybe they run around bent over, clawing at the ground for stability, while the goblins ride on their backs. I'm sure the goblins prize them for their ferocity above any sort of utility as a mount.

I do, however, much prefer the menace of the skinless gorilla-looking thing with a beak as opposed to a cute little ostrich-looking thingamajig that looks like nibbling on a dwarf is an inappropriately violent action for it.