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[umiman]

Jude: You overlook the very simple question, "why do I want to do that?" Unlike you, I sleep very well knowing 300 to 400 people die of starvation as I snooze.

I don't suffer any losses if 1 million economically deficit people die overnight. They don't work in industries that adversely affect my welfare. These people work in manufacturing for cheap labour such as toys, clothes, and mining operations. I'd be affected if people who worked in farming or electrical component manufacturing were affected, but those people live statistically higher levels of life than the others and wouldn't be at threat of starvation.

Realistically speaking, the people who starve to death don't even work at all. What this means is that they consume resources but don't provide, leading to an individual resource deficit. There's no real reason to support the super poor, those who can't get jobs and must rely on handouts to survive. If they are unable to contribute, it would be thus logical that they shouldn't exist. Resources would be allocate elsewhere and people will be better off. Of course, by resources I don't simply mean working and hard, material stuff. Intelligence and wisdom are both important traits, traits that would prevent said person from starving to death in the first place.

I'm not advocating death camps here, that would be stupid. Camps that helped people find work are a far better allocation of resources simply because living people doing lots of small tasks are better than a bunch of dead people. Just saying that even if millions or billions of people died, I couldn't care less unless they directly affected my welfare.

[Dwarf]

Seconded. Money shouldn't be spent on nurishing africans but to educate them.

[inaluct]

Because knowledge is power?

[Jude]

Jude: You overlook the very simple question, "why do I want to do that?" Unlike you, I sleep very well knowing 300 to 400 people die of starvation as I snooze.

I don't suffer any losses if 1 million economically deficit people die overnight. They don't work in industries that adversely affect my welfare. These people work in manufacturing for cheap labour such as toys, clothes, and mining operations. I'd be affected if people who worked in farming or electrical component manufacturing were affected, but those people live statistically higher levels of life than the others and wouldn't be at threat of starvation.

Realistically speaking, the people who starve to death don't even work at all. What this means is that they consume resources but don't provide, leading to an individual resource deficit. There's no real reason to support the super poor, those who can't get jobs and must rely on handouts to survive. If they are unable to contribute, it would be thus logical that they shouldn't exist. Resources would be allocate elsewhere and people will be better off. Of course, by resources I don't simply mean working and hard, material stuff. Intelligence and wisdom are both important traits, traits that would prevent said person from starving to death in the first place.

I'm not advocating death camps here, that would be stupid. Camps that helped people find work are a far better allocation of resources simply because living people doing lots of small tasks are better than a bunch of dead people. Just saying that even if millions or billions of people died, I couldn't care less unless they directly affected my welfare.

Well, obviously the problem goes deeper and is a profound issue of the way globalization has developed (not to mention that there being too many people for the locally available resources is a problem older than modernity). But none of us can take on global inequality individually; you can just do something small to help.

Seconded. Money shouldn't be spent on nurishing africans but to educate them.

Well duh people should be educated. But educating a bunch of people in an area with famine and drought isn't going to help when they're dying from lack of food and water. And insisting that starving people aren't worth saving because "they don't produce resources" is like insisting that a kid in an abusive, drug-addicted home isn't worth educating or spending time trying to save because he doesn't do well in school. That's just a cheap rationalization to avoid the guilt I'm trying to evoke here.

[umiman]

Your entire argument is based around the expectation that we *should* feel guilty or *should* help other people.

Isn't it pretty clear, even from the title of the thread, that a lot of us don't feel guilty at all? We don't give a rats ass. You're attempting to preach charity to a chainsaw.

[Jude]

Well, yeah, an utter lack of humanity would undermine my appeal somewhat.

[LegoLord]

Of course, this is the internet, and some people are probably subconsciously taking advantage of the fact that we can't see them or know who they really are to make themselves appear more hardcore.

How can you be SURE of that?
Now, I haven't, because I'm scared of the legal system and I haven't had a good enough reason to.
Guilt (and pride) are useless responses that cant change anything, so I ignore them.

Also, considering this is some random thread on an internet forum were my statements cant be verified easily, you have to take into account what I said earlier abaut enjoying stereotypes,

Sure, sure, you keep telling yourself that, Robot Man.

[inaluct]

Of course, this is the internet, and some people are probably subconsciously taking advantage of the fact that we can't see them or know who they really are to make themselves appear more hardcore.

This basically sums up my point of view.

[Fishersalwaysdie]

How can you be SURE of that?
Now, I haven't, because I'm scared of the legal system and I haven't had a good enough reason to.
Guilt (and pride) are useless responses that cant change anything, so I ignore them.

Also, considering this is some random thread on an internet forum were my statements cant be verified easily, you have to take into account what I said earlier abaut enjoying stereotypes,

Only humans aren't entirely rational beings and the stories of your past show you do in fact show pride, as a person without it would be able to fill a social niche and even if he didn't other children wouldn't be so angry at him.

You aren't only scared of the legal system, you are scared of people very people you could potentially kill.

[Strife26]

DON'T READ! Prediction about thread!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Sigh*

Locked in 26.5 hours, I predict.

[Armok]

Ok, correction, I TRY to ignore them, whit success rates varying. I still think I would be able to beat down a guilt for killing someone easily if it was someone I thought to deserve death, and as that is 99% of everyone any random stranger or starved African child can be reasonably shoehorned into that category.

[sonerohi]

Also, most people would have an extremely hard time convincing themselves to not pull the trigger. When a human mind sets itself to something, it often second guesses itself at the moment of the action, like a how a suicidal person, seconds before they end their life, desperately want to live.

[Jude]

Of course, this is the internet, and some people are probably subconsciously taking advantage of the fact that we can't see them or know who they really are to make themselves appear more hardcore.

If you're talking about me, I never said I did any of that stuff

I'm just as much of an evil scumbag as everyone else

[umiman]

DON'T READ! Prediction about thread!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Sigh*

Locked in 26.5 hours, I predict.

I'll take your virtual money.

[LegoLord]

Ok, correction, I TRY to ignore them, whit success rates varying. I still think I would be able to beat down a guilt for killing someone easily if it was someone I thought to deserve death, and as that is 99% of everyone any random stranger or starved African child can be reasonably shoehorned into that category.

You think that a starved African child deserves death?  Where is your reasoning behind that?  That makes no sense, none at all. 

Humans aren't evil by nature; there is hardly any such thing as evil.  There is just right and wrong.  Evil is treating people as things, but people who do that tend to be very insane.