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Where are the drunks?
« on: March 14, 2009, 05:45:06 pm »

I've been to numerous town's mead halls and have not found a single drunk. Only a weaponmaster of some sorts. I go around towns asking everyone to join my party but no one ever wants to. I would rather....NOT! is getting old.

Where are the NPC's that join you?
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2009, 05:50:59 pm »

Soldiers of lower skill than you.  It's better than drunks.  You can recruit old adventures as well.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2009, 10:34:27 am »

Just keep picking up sand and throwing it where you stand until you're a legendary thrower, which only takes 10-15 minutes or so. ;D then most people you ask will join too.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2009, 11:03:57 am »

I've seen drunks, but they are rare. However, you can sometimes get peasants to join you (I think it has to do with the personality of the peasant), and military units with lower skill will also join you(wait for a while in the mead hall or the keep and you will see plenty of possible minions).
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2009, 10:59:14 pm »

If you find someone labeled as a "Prisoner" in a dark tower, they will join you.  They are only children, but then, from my readings of the forums, some see that as a bonus.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2009, 12:44:45 am »

If you find someone labeled as a "Prisoner" in a dark tower, they will join you.  They are only children, but then, from my readings of the forums, some see that as a bonus.

once in a human town there was an elven prisoner. i asked him to join me, and it turned out that he was the elven diplomat. i think that the humans took the tree cap diplomacy a bit too seriously.
anyway, he got pin-cushioned by an elven archer in his home town. he did say "take me away from here".
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 07:24:35 am »

Isn't it bliss?
Don't you approve?
One who keeps tearing around,
One who can't move.
Where are the drunks?
Send in the drunks.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2009, 07:41:52 am »

Yeah, I think the drunks were just temporary stand-ins for the recruitable soldiers and whatnot that we have now.

I kinda miss the drunks though. Although the new soldiers are much better at combat, the mental imagery of a tanked peasant that can barely stand up doing a flying tackle on a wolf or bear and beating the crap out of random wildlife encounters was just awesome.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2009, 07:53:03 am »

Now there's a suggestion; wrestlers who are drunk.  Drunken Masters!
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2009, 08:07:03 am »

Well, I guess drunken wrestlers are nothing new in the world of DF, but Dorfs don't seem to get falling down drunk like humies do.

A "drunk" effect would be a nice feature for adventure mode. Currently drinking booze is just like drinking water from what I can tell. Should be a status condition that humans and elves maybe can get from drinking booze.

"You drink the Dwarven Ale"
"You drink the Dwarven Ale"
"You drink the Dwarven Ale"
"You are now incredibly drunk"
"You fall down"
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2009, 08:18:46 am »

I thought Dwarves got drunk when they didn't drink.  Kinda like Futurama robots.
Maybe their biology uses alcohol as a reagent/enzyme.

"You don't drink the Dwarven Ale."
"You don't drink the Dwarven Ale."
"You don't drink the Dwarven Ale."
"You are now incredibly sober."
"You fall down and throw a tantrum."
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"Adventurer's Motto; Take everything not nailed down and nail down whoever tries to stop you."

"Whatever happens, we have got the ballista and they have not."

The dwarven economy is just a stand-in, from what I understand. As it is, it represents an actual economic system about as well as poison ivy represents a salad.

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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2009, 08:55:09 am »

Yeah, that seems to be a popular theory, but I think its just that all Dwarves are alcoholics, and they get DTs and withdraw symptoms and become shaking, useless, miserable and lethargic like real alcoholics become when they suddenly stop drinking.

Not drinking booze doesn't kill or starve dwarves, after all wounded dwarves are given nothing but funky stagnant water to drink for the whole year they are bedridden. Sober dwarves just eventiually slow down

Personally, I like the idea that they do metabolize the alcohol differently and they get "drunk" differently then humans. Maybe it acts like a stimulant then a CNS depressant? Alcohol helps dwarves steady their hands, focus, think clearly, work harder and study better, rather them getting goofy and boisterous like it does with people? An alert dwarven soldier should be proppery equipped with some liquor on post in case they get tired, like a human soldier might be drinking black coffee to stay alert and awake while on post.

I can't belive I'm putting this much thought into the subject.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2009, 12:04:41 pm »

This is not a stimulant, alcohol for dwarves is purely a stimulant.  From a certain age (or even birth) dwarves were in need of alcohol, unless they were to become as weak as a human.  In fact, dwarves invented alcohol.  Eventually one dwarf asked: "why can't I mince up my drink" to this the other races criticized "because it's a liquid you drunken moron".  Undeterred, the dwarven cooks and scientists got to work and eventually came up with this: "this is a dwarven wine biscuit, the ingrediants consist of finely minced dwarven wine and finely minced dwarven wine."  Now the humans thought this was one of the greatest inventions ever made and payed sinfull amounts for them.  The elves though thought the dwarves were a bunch of drunken ruffians and are unworthy of their wood and trees.  The elephants went mad with confusion, but recovered eventually.

Anyway, you are really lucky if you find drunks.  Adventure mode is not being focused on at the moment and we will probably not be substantially updated in a very, very long time.  My advice is to find weak soldiers and peasents and then ask them to join your cause.  Also as stated above just pick random crap up for awhile and throw till you reach legendary, then pretty much anyone will join you.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2009, 12:28:06 pm »

Well it did occur to me that every pregnant dwarf (usually in the military, soldiers make a lot of friends, I guess) is drinking hard and working hard, performing flying tackles on their sparring partners and cracking open the skulls of varied and sundry creatures during the entire pregnancy.

I can't imagine all that adrenaline and alcohol in the womb is able to do anything besides produce an alcoholic, insane dwarven child ready to kick start that awesome cycle all over again. Drinkan' Killan' workan' and diggan' No wonder there is never a worldgen that has dwarves outnumbering anybody.

A drunken dorf is a healthy dorf.
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Re: Where are the drunks?
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2009, 01:52:22 pm »

Well it did occur to me that every pregnant dwarf (usually in the military, soldiers make a lot of friends, I guess) is drinking hard and working hard, performing flying tackles on their sparring partners and cracking open the skulls of varied and sundry creatures during the entire pregnancy.

I can't imagine all that adrenaline and alcohol in the womb is able to do anything besides produce an alcoholic, insane dwarven child ready to kick start that awesome cycle all over again. Drinkan' Killan' workan' and diggan' No wonder there is never a worldgen that has dwarves outnumbering anybody.

A drunken dorf is a healthy dorf.
That's kinda what makes 'em dwarves.
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"Oh look there is a dragon my clothes might burn let me take them off and only wear steel plate."
And this is how tinned food was invented.
Alternately: The Brick Testament. It's a really fun look at what the bible would look like if interpreted literally. With Legos.
Just so I remember