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kefkakrazy

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How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« on: March 07, 2009, 03:18:54 am »

What do you consider "broken" or "unfair?"

For me:

Stacked weapon traps (I DO have weapon traps and WILL set them up to instantly annihilate anything that touches them, but they won't be more than one deep)

Stacked traps of any sort (the most I'll do is a couple deep stone traps, since those are one-shot.)

Marksdwarf swarms (I modded bolts to do one-third the damage in my game, and it's slashing damage so no piercing every organ in the body with one shot. Thus I can use my marksdwarf swarms and not have it be a gamebreaker)

Atom smashers (Though I may start using them to dispose of worthless goblin pants)

Notable things that I DO consider fair game:

Pretty much anything other than drawbridge-smashers that can be triggered via pressure plate or trap (It takes so much work to set up and is so hit-or-miss that I consider being able to wipe out an entire orc siege with one flick of a lever and the drop of one massive block of stone to be completely fair game. Drowning traps, the works)

My modded marksdwarves (their damage is pretty pathetic by comparison, so a storm of bolts will only deal injuries)

Cage traps (when not stacked! I have a few cage traps, for example, set up in a radius around my fort. There's no guarantee, but the chances of a group of, say, ambushers headed straight for my fort hitting AT LEAST one (and thus getting exposed) is pretty good.)

Also: I did take out a whole orc siege with one lever throw just now, but damn it I forgot to record it for you guys.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 04:04:21 am »

last 2 forts only had cage traps that were only set up every now and again to collect goblins, megabeasts or wild animals for me to train or have fun with.

nearly all my fortresses lack any kind of traps and normally only have a drawbridge or drawbridges to seperate my defense area from the rest of the fort to stop the entrance dance. i also limit myself to only a few marksdwarves, unless im opening up the hfs. really, right now ive been finding this pretty easy, even with just five champions doing the work. they wipe entire goblin sieges with ease, and with six nearby goblin towers thats a lot of goblins. champions should be more difficult to train, its so easy to throw together large numbers of them at the moment.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 06:16:28 am »

Mmm... Let me see.

1) I avoid training champions by permanently putting dorfs who have achieved elite status on duty.
2) No traps, period. Exceptions might be complex constructed traps, but I never use 'em.
3) Open passage to the heart of my fortress. I always leave the main entrance open. No raised bridges or locked doors.
4) Strengthened goblins.
5) Nerfed ranged weapons.

This pretty much evens the odds, with a realistic bonus to the defender in the form of choke points and fortifications.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 07:03:45 am »

I don't ever have traps, just walls with gates.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 08:37:15 am »

No traps. Just drunken, angry dwarves with hammers.

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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 08:38:31 am »

I do leave a path open. That's just FAIR. And as I said before, while there ARE traps on said path (these are dwarves, after all), there's not enough traps to singlehandedly break an entire assault force. Besides, the Hammer of ARMOK sees to that quite nicely.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2009, 09:26:37 am »

Currently playing as humans, no underground rooms other that prison/dungeons,   no traps, Orc mod.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2009, 09:29:01 am »

No traps (seems to be a popular theme) unless I really want to use that artifact giant axe blade, and I always keep the front door open, and will resist closing it until my entire standing army is annihilated.

Also, any fuck-the-world devices I build must be at contained in a megaconstruction comprising a volume of at least 500 tiles (less than it sounds).
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 10:15:37 am »

Since the siege system is absolutely basic/primitive now, I don't use traps/defense mechanisms at all. I rely entirely on my military.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 10:28:20 am »

i only use the common tactics like drawbrige above a moat to seal myself off

no trap hallways (just a few on tactical positions with restricted area, so my dwarfs can run around the place without stepping on the traps
markdwarfs only in small groups at tactical positions (tower aboe named drawbridge) and mostly only to encounter ranged enemys

else i refer use mostly axe and hammer dwarfs in military, mixed with (assigned) war dogs... blood for armok!
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 12:29:59 pm »

- I refuse to shut the door and leave the invaders to stew unless they brought trolls.

- No atom smashing invaders; either the traps deal with them, or the military.

- No atom-smashing ANYTHING. Even their pants. It all has to be hauled.

- No trap corridor; everything comes in through one gap in the curtain wall, even the caravans. The only exception is the hole I made in the wall while the drawbridge over the moat is being constructed, since, oddly enough, dwarves don't fly.

- Melee dorfs vastly outnumber marksdorfs. But that's because I like seeing the bodies and bits of bodies fly.

- Bodies must be sorted onto refuse piles, so I can gloat.

- No survivors. All captives must be excecuted by pitting.
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 12:57:04 pm »

I don't use weapon traps for fortress defense unless I get an artifact trap component. 

I limit myself to a single line of cage traps at my gate to act as an ambush alarm and to provide captives to indulge my own more sadistic dwarves' bloodthirst.

I use a maximum of 40% marksdwarves in my military, the rest are melee troops.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 02:51:27 pm »

Alright, defence by line, in a simple 10-step program

1: woodcutter.  I give my starting woodcutter mostly axe and wrestling skills, making sure he's the most anti-social and at least mildly industrious dwarf in the fort, and just having him out there all the time.   He breaks ambushes all by himself, slaughters kobolds by the bucketful, and deals with the random skeletal monkeys that the caravan misses every year.

2: Cage traps.  Single ones at the edges of large obstructions on the surface such as chasms, and large buildings, to capture samples of the local wildlife for preservation purposes.

3: weapon traps.  Scatter single large knives around as a warning to all thieves.

4: dig a ditch. allowing only a three wide passage into the main shaft of my fort, a single row of cage traps to supply my fort with token prisoners, followed immediately by a pair of guard dogs.  If anything ever manages to get past that...

5: windy passage with a puppy cage.  'nuf said.

6:my two military dwarves in the statue garden.

7: lock everyone in their rooms til the emergency rations in there start to run out...

8: have everyone pick up the crap-quality spear of last resort they keep in their rooms, and fight to the death.

9: have my one marksdwarf cowering in the corner, getting kills when it's mostly safe until re-enforcements arrive or madness takes him.

10: Adventurers: start sneaking in single recruits in an attempt to assassinate the enemy leadership before reclaiming.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 04:55:55 pm »

My traps dont kill Gobs - they just mess them up or move them - without there blessing.
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Re: How do you limit yourselves in fortress defense?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 05:02:07 pm »

I have a line of cage traps so I can catch enemies I want to capture rather than kill, a line of chained dogs to catch kobolds, and a passageway they must walk through.  Traditionally I always had drawbridges to lock the enemy out; I'm doing that less now.
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