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[exoleet]

According to the wiki, leather armour is no more protective than the clothing the dwarves arrive with.

What's the point of using it?

[Shades]

They will wear it as well as the clothes.

[Faces of Mu]

So what will happen in the new version regarding leather armour vs. leather clothing? IIRC Toady is making layers become involved in the damage calculators. I'm not sure if it's just layers of flesh and not also layers of clothing/armour. So will all our leather fetishist civilians be as equally protected as the leather armoured militia?

[Squirrelloid]

and they'll wear it under chain as well.

They won't wear both chain and leather under plate, but they will wear chain under plate.  Presumably they'd wear leather instead of chain under plate, but i haven't tried it.

[TCHJ3K]

Also, leather armour is a good way to get your military guys' skills up before you can start churning chain/platemail out - I'm pretty sure sparring in leather armour still boosts armour/shield user skills.

[Jackrabbit]

Masterpiece leather is as strong as iron and lets your men train in use of armor. Also, it's cheap and IRL it is really effective. I've tried it on and it can deflect anything save for a powerful stab to the center. It's really quite strong.

[Awayfarer]

I'm inclined to think that the wiki is wrong. By the raws...

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_LEATHER]
[ARMORLEVEL:1]
[MAINBLOCK:20]
[SECONDBLOCK:20]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_COAT]
[MAINBLOCK:15]
[SECONDBLOCK:15]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHIRT]
[MAINBLOCK:3]
[SECONDBLOCK:3]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CLOAK]
[MAINBLOCK:5]
[SECONDBLOCK:5]

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_TUNIC]
[MAINBLOCK:5]
[SECONDBLOCK:5]

Basically leather armor protects significantly better than most clothes, and only marginally better than a coat. That last bit of info kind of surprises me.

[Pilsu]

Those coats are restricted to cold and up. They're presumably really thick

[MuonDecay]

Masterpiece leather is as strong as iron and lets your men train in use of armor. Also, it's cheap and IRL it is really effective. I've tried it on and it can deflect anything save for a powerful stab to the center. It's really quite strong.

Was this just tough leather, studded leather, or cuir bouilli?

[LegoLord]

Yeah, I was about to say something along those lines, Awayfarer.  The value modifier of leather is the same as cloth, not clothes.  The base values for armor are higher than those for clothes.

[Jackrabbit]

Masterpiece leather is as strong as iron and lets your men train in use of armor. Also, it's cheap and IRL it is really effective. I've tried it on and it can deflect anything save for a powerful stab to the center. It's really quite strong.

Was this just tough leather, studded leather, or cuir bouilli?

I'm not sure. It was a very long time ago, on some medieval day thing.

[Hamster Man]

Probably tough leather, as studded leather is intended to deflect slashes rather than stabs. And although I have no first-hand knowledge, I'd believe it - that stuff ain't all soft-and-subtle like your wallet, its like inch-thick-tough-as-well-worn-boots leather.

[Bromor Neckbeard]

What's the point of using it?

Even if the wiki's right, wearing leather would provide double the protection of clothes.  And as Jackrabbit pointed out, leather gets quality modifiers.  Leather isn't a top-of-the-line protection, it's what you use your first year to give your soldiers a little extra damblock when you embarked without an anvil or haven't struck hematite yet.

[Avelon]

I've also worn leather armour - greaves, vambraces, boots, and cuirass. The stuff is a lot heavier than you'd think, and incredibly strong. Untooled cured layered armour - 'plain leather', I suppose you'd call it. No studs. I wouldn't have a problem letting someone take a swing at me with a shortsword in the stuff - you really have to punch through it with something heavy (like an axe; preferably a hatchet as it has a smaller surface area on the blade and just as good if not better leverage) or the tip of a blade if you want to hurt whatever is inside of it. Or aim for the face - a gorget isn't going to help you much with a direct hit.


Back on topic, leather armour does indeed let you train the Armour user skill - even if you're just wrestling!

[Uninvited Guest]

i put plate on a marksdwarf and he started walking slow. i put him in leather and he was fast again. can anyone verify that i didn't imagine this? speed is important if you need to rescue someone.