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Re: I'm Finished
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2009, 05:40:26 pm »

Problem is, it can be very difficult to prove some subtle disruptions to your business (which can still cause significant financial loss). Crying discrimination, on the other hand, is too damn easy, as everyone and their grandmother belongs to some sort of a minority (be it ethnic, disability, religious or any other kind).

I can see the need for the current US laws regarding this, but I don't like them.
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« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2009, 10:32:06 pm »

So no, you don't have that right, at least not in the US or Canada -- you don't have it because the government specifically denies it to you.

The only major exception to this rule is private clubs; eg, you can have a private nightclub that caters only to a certain class of people and has strict entrance requirements, but you can't do the same for a restaurant. As the definition of a private club is vague, these are likely going to be sanity checked on a case-by-case basis based on what seems to be in the spirit of the law.
I guess gyms are either private clubs or public establishments depending on the particular argument going on at the time.

Go to Google and type in male-only gym. Notice anything? There don't seem to be many, if any at all. Google will helpfully pipe up that you may have misspelled female.
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« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2009, 10:43:58 pm »

Let me be clear: You can of course refuse to serve someone for any reason that isn't illegal. If somebody is causing trouble and is drunk, of course you can throw them out. What I'm saying is that it's not a "right to refuse service", per se. It's just what is and isn't illegal.

The reason I specify that distinction is because so many people think there is some sacred store owner's right to kick somebody out, especially people in the United States who see "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" signs and assume that if someone claims to be "reserving" such a right, it must surely exist. But it doesn't, not in that general form anyway. The government can and does prevent you from refusing service in many cases.

Of course, there's a big difference between what should be true and what is true. You can, of course, advocate that there should be such a right guaranteed to business owners, or maybe that there's a "moral right", even if it's not recognized by the government. I'm just being such a hardass about it in hopes of dispelling the very pervasive myth about the actual rights that business owners have. I'm sorry if I'm being too overbearing -- I tend to come on very strong when I'm trying to stress a point of fact, rather than state an opinion.

I guess gyms are either private clubs or public establishments depending on the particular argument going on at the time.

Go to Google and type in male-only gym. Notice anything? There don't seem to be many, if any at all. Google will helpfully pipe up that you may have misspelled female.

Yeah, I actually thought about mentioning gyms, but... I wasn't sure what to say constructively. I honestly don't know how they're generally treated legally. I'd assume a "women's health club" would be fine, but is a "men's health club"? You might be able to justify it (after all, men and women are different in some matters of health), but it would surely be controversial.
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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2009, 11:56:40 pm »

 Sorry to dig this up again, but I figure it best use an old topic on idiocy than make a new one.

 Speaking of which...
 I'll let YOU figure out what is so horribly wrong there.
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« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2009, 03:15:38 am »

Sorry to dig this up again, but I figure it best use an old topic on idiocy than make a new one.

 Speaking of which...
 I'll let YOU figure out what is so horribly wrong there.

Why not just outlaw the gun? Oh wait. It already is. The kid illegally carried a gun. CAN'T WE JUST PUNISH HIM FOR THAT?!
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« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2009, 03:38:54 am »

Yet they have to get rid of the things that protect you from guns. Not the guns themselves.
Also, HOLY SHIT IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY?
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« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2009, 04:54:09 am »

Yay for more school shootings.
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« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2009, 10:41:13 pm »

Heh. I found that funny. I've always wondered about how many people in my school don't carry pocket knives.
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« Reply #53 on: March 16, 2009, 02:37:33 am »

I would hope and assume (for the sake of proving your administrators' competency if nothing else) that none do.  Including you.

Really, why in the world do you think you need a pocket knife?  Don't you live in North Dakota?
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« Reply #54 on: March 16, 2009, 06:43:37 am »

I only keep a small multi-tool on my keychain.
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« Reply #55 on: March 16, 2009, 06:56:44 am »

 As I also carry a swiss army knife.

 Oddly enough, they let me into the National Art Gallery with that knife and a ton of art scalpels.
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« Reply #56 on: March 16, 2009, 07:52:59 am »

Hmph. Sure. Let the guy with the ultra efficient knife in, but keep the guy with the thumbtacks out.
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