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mainiac

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Re: I'm Finished
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2009, 10:48:21 pm »

Yeah, I'd definitely agree she made a mistake suing so quickly.
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« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2009, 10:56:00 pm »

If he walked into the ladies toilets while my sister was in there, I'd go in there and fucking belt him, no questions.
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« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2009, 11:07:49 pm »

I suppose that there isn't a clear cut law in Canada that says "You can refuse service to anyone."

I don't think there's one in the United States, either. Just what is illegal, and what is not. It usually comes down to "We don't serve your kind here" versus "Get out and don't bother my customers again."

By the way, in response to the OP, the restaurant has offered some free chicken nuggets to the crazy woman.

That's because McDonald's Corporate is good to their customers. She should have just taken her grievance to them directly instead of letting them find out about it when she got in trouble for calling 911 repeatedly over the price of some chicken nuggets.

If he walked into the ladies toilets while my sister was in there, I'd go in there and fucking belt him, no questions.

Committing assault and battery and opening yourself up to both civil and criminal charges is a great example of "How to fail at working the system."
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Re: I'm Finished
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2009, 11:24:49 pm »

If he walked into the ladies toilets while my sister was in there, I'd go in there and fucking belt him, no questions.

Yes, because such an action is clearly out of line.  I mean her using a public restroom.  You kicking a woman's ass is clearly the only response.
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2009, 11:35:30 pm »

Alright, I'm sure Codezero was just joking, and that Codezero's not very good at jokes.
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2009, 11:39:47 pm »

Making a joke?  I'll kick his ass for that!
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« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2009, 12:59:41 am »

If she walked into the ladies toilets while my sister was in there, I'd go in there and fucking belt her, no questions.
Making a joke?  I'll kick her ass for that!
fix'd, i don't want to get into the actual discussion any more than this.

Edit: presuming they mean currently, after the OP.
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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2009, 01:54:57 am »

I suppose that there isn't a clear cut law in Canada that says "You can refuse service to anyone."
It makes things like that easier. Of course the Canadians have socialized healthcare too. Still gotta love them though, eh?

Actually, I was thinking about this after I read the article.  I swear I've seen signs like that in restaurants here in the States.  It sure would make things a lot simpler.
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« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2009, 02:56:35 am »

I suppose that there isn't a clear cut law in Canada that says "You can refuse service to anyone."
It makes things like that easier. Of course the Canadians have socialized healthcare too. Still gotta love them though, eh?

Actually, I was thinking about this after I read the article.  I swear I've seen signs like that in restaurants here in the States.  It sure would make things a lot simpler.

You have seen signs like that. In the time before the Civil Rights Act of 1964, they signaled a segregated establishment. Now they're just meaningless signs that are posted up by store and restaurant owners who don't know any better.
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« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2009, 08:54:02 am »

Personally, I'm siding with the gym manager guy here. He has all the legal right to refuse entry to that guy. (I wont call him a female until he does the operation. If he's functionally male, I don't give a shit what he believes himself to be.)

Other than that, it's a public disturbance. When that guy walks out of the shower, what are the other women going to see? Penis and non-boobs. Surely there are some that will find this distressful. People just wont unclench. Personally I believe in unisex wardrobes and dressing rooms. If I want to see some naked chicks, I'll use the internet. Besides, it would be good to have society unclench a bit.

But we're not living in a perfectly liberal society. So I have to throw this in. The gym manager will lose customers for allowing him in the gym. He does not want that. He has every legal right to refuse entry to that guy. Period. Gender neutral gyms exist under the condition of him using the male dressing rooms. Hell there are even unisex gyms.
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« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2009, 02:24:25 pm »

I too firmly believe that private businesses have every right to deny service on whatever basis they want, be it sex, attire, race, creed, hair colour or no basis at all (ie "I just don't like you" basis).
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« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2009, 04:10:51 pm »

True. They do after all own it and provide service or goods in exchange for currency. It's their right to not provide the service in exchange for you not providing currency. The thing that defends the consumer? They WANT your currency.
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« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2009, 04:39:58 pm »

True. They do after all own it and provide service or goods in exchange for currency. It's their right to not provide the service in exchange for you not providing currency. The thing that defends the consumer? They WANT your currency.

No, it's not true, at least not in Canada and the United States -- I don't know about Bosnia and Herzegovina, maybe that's different. It is illegal to run a "whites only" restaurant in the United States, a "men only" hotel, or a "no muslims allowed" movie theatre. Yes, it's private property, but it's a public accomodation, and there are laws regulating your ability to so grossly sort out your customers. That's not something I made up, that's from the 1964 Civil Rights Act that ended segregation. These laws exist because the profit motive wasn't enough to protect customers; instead, they'd profit by catering to racists who wanted discrimination. It became a massive problem in some areas in terms of quality of amenities for a vast number of people, not to mention the social tensions and stigma that arose from segregation. So no, you don't have that right, at least not in the US or Canada -- you don't have it because the government specifically denies it to you.

The only major exception to this rule is private clubs; eg, you can have a private nightclub that caters only to a certain class of people and has strict entrance requirements, but you can't do the same for a restaurant. As the definition of a private club is vague, these are likely going to be sanity checked on a case-by-case basis based on what seems to be in the spirit of the law.
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« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2009, 04:46:29 pm »

True. They do after all own it and provide service or goods in exchange for currency. It's their right to not provide the service in exchange for you not providing currency. The thing that defends the consumer? They WANT your currency.

No, it's not true, at least not in Canada and the United States -- I don't know about Bosnia and Herzegovina, maybe that's different. It is illegal to run a "whites only" restaurant in the United States, a "men only" hotel, or a "no muslims allowed" movie theatre. Yes, it's private property, but it's a public accomodation, and there are laws regulating your ability to so grossly sort out your customers. That's not something I made up, that's from the 1964 Civil Rights Act that ended segregation. These laws exist because the profit motive wasn't enough to protect customers; instead, they'd profit by catering to racists who wanted discrimination. It became a massive problem in some areas in terms of quality of amenities for a vast number of people, not to mention the social tensions and stigma that arose from segregation. So no, you don't have that right, at least not in the US or Canada -- you don't have it because the government specifically denies it to you.

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« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2009, 04:52:35 pm »

True. They do after all own it and provide service or goods in exchange for currency. It's their right to not provide the service in exchange for you not providing currency. The thing that defends the consumer? They WANT your currency.

No, it's not true, at least not in Canada and the United States -- I don't know about Bosnia and Herzegovina, maybe that's different. It is illegal to run a "whites only" restaurant in the United States, a "men only" hotel, or a "no muslims allowed" movie theatre. Yes, it's private property, but it's a public accomodation, and there are laws regulating your ability to so grossly sort out your customers. That's not something I made up, that's from the 1964 Civil Rights Act that ended segregation. These laws exist because the profit motive wasn't enough to protect customers; instead, they'd profit by catering to racists who wanted discrimination. It became a massive problem in some areas in terms of quality of amenities for a vast number of people, not to mention the social tensions and stigma that arose from segregation. So no, you don't have that right, at least not in the US or Canada -- you don't have it because the government specifically denies it to you.

True but not right... (I agree with DJ on this one...)

Yeah, any establishment has the right to refuse service. But if discrimination is found the offender usually gets in trouble.

The right is really more to keep troublemakers out and things like that.
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