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[Yanlin]

When an argument about facts goes to philosophy, you know the thread is fucked.

[mainiac]

When an argument about facts goes to philosophy, you know the thread is fucked.

At what point was this argument really about facts or this thread not fucked?

[Andir]

I think I'd argue that the thread has always been philosophical... I mean, the President CAN'T be king, but they damn sure try.

[Yanlin]

When an argument about philosophy goes to facts, you know the thread is fucked.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

King Obama has quite a ring to it actually.
He'd look better in a crown than Prince Charles, anyway.

[Aqizzar]

If you were going to put a face on a coin or carve it into a mountain, you couldn't ask for much better than that.

And if you do a google image search for 'obama' you will find some virulent crap out there.

Spoiler: Also this. (click to show/hide)

[Yanlin]

Whoa... RIP OFF!!!

That's a total ripoff of "SORRY. I CANNOT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF ME DRILLING HOLES IN ELVES!"

[Jonathan S. Fox]

I'm pretty sure "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am" is a phrase well predating your elf-hole-drilling poem.

[mainiac]

I'm pretty sure "Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am" is a phrase well predating your elf-hole-drilling poem.

The Obama version predates all other versions.

After defeating Lord Xenu, Obama will travel back in time, to prevent Osama Bin Laden from destroying the time space continuum.  There, Obama will cause the big bang, the awesome singularity from which all other awesome is derived.  Once the deafening explosion has passed, Obama will utter the first words in the universe:

"I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over how awesome I am."

Thus, the phrase will be about Obama from the start.  But it will be so epic that it will be written upon the very fabric of the universe.  Following Obama's birth, the phrase will become so poignant that it will be popularized on the internet.

[Bromor Neckbeard]

That reminds me, has anybody else heard about that guy who's a lieutenant in the army, and he's basically suing Obama (well, he's joining the lawsuit and making public statements about it) for being a secret Muslim and not having a legit birth certificate and some retarded shit?  I thought it was a joke until somebody sent me an email with a link to the story.  Hilariously, they sent it to me to show me just how THAT EVIL MUSLIM TERRORIST GONNA GIT OUR GUNZ blah blah blah.

http://www.military.com/news/article/February-2009/officer-calls-obama-usurper-imposter-president.html?col=1186032310810

This will end well.  I guess when this dumbass gets out of Leavenworth in ten years, he can be the next Joe the Plumber.  I never realized that dudes in the Army could say to their superior officers, "you're not my commander until you prove to my satisfaction that you're really a citizen".  It seems like this could cause a problem if it started a precedent.

[Andir]

Personally, I don't see why he's hiding his birth certificate.  Any President should be required to present it.  Period.  Hiding it tells me he has something to hide.

[Jonathan S. Fox]

Personally, I don't see why he's hiding his birth certificate.  Any President should be required to present it.  Period.  Hiding it tells me he has something to hide.

Spoiler: "I know, what's up with that?" (click to show/hide)

John McCain totally shouldn't have refused to share his birth certificate. What's he got to hide?

[mainiac]

Personally, I don't see why he's hiding his birth certificate.  Any President should be required to present it.  Period.  Hiding it tells me he has something to hide.

He isn't hiding it.

What does that tell you?

Many different news organizations have been able to see the certificate.  The folks at factcheck.org touched it with their own hands:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
There is no controversy, there is no reason to doubt Obama's citizenship more then any other Americans.  However, people will often make up their minds without finding out the basic facts.  Saying you know the truth requires facts, which may not be the facts you want.  Saying there is a controversy requires none.

The reason the Supreme Court will not hear this case is simple: there is no case.
And giving these folks their day before the supreme court would just give them publicity.  Even though their entire case would be debunked in all aspects, they would still gain more supporters due to their higher profile.

You doubt the authenticity.  Can you name a single argument you actually fact checked?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Taken directly from the fact check website, that is an image of a factcheck member holding the certificate.  The Obama campaign in no way controlled their investigation of the document.

Here's the birth announcement:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

They faked that too?  On the off chance he would run for president more then 45 years later?  Even though the thought of a black man being president was hilarious at the time?

[Jonathan S. Fox]

If you're interested in more about Obama's childhood, family, and experiences in Indonesia, his book "Dreams From my Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" goes into a lot of depth on the subject in his own words, and as it predates his political career, it has all the frank openness of someone who doesn't have to worry about scandal mongering and his public image. It's a fascinating book when taken in light of the fact that this is essentially an autobiographical book about the experiences and feelings of the child and young adult who would someday become the President of the United States, written just before he started his political career.

[Yanlin]

Heh. When I was at the duty free in London Heathrow airport, there were some Obama books at rather cheap prices. But my mom refused to buy them on the claim that they were shameless propaganda books and she'd rather if I read a real book.

It's insanely hard to find information about Obama in this country. Apparently reading a book that (I think) Obama wrote is too much.