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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2009, 05:03:26 pm »

Ah, my confusion.  I only have experience with marijuana dealers.  I don't think anyone here or anywhere is arguing for the legalization of crack.

I will :)

Actually, Crack may be the one drug that's TOO addictive...

My point exactly.  Give someone an inch, they'll take you for a mile.

I don't consume caffeine.  Next to me, you probably look like an addict.

Do I argue that caffeine should be illegal because it will lead people to use horse tranqs?
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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2009, 05:14:37 pm »

I guess my belief is that it's not the government's responsibility to protect someone from their own actions.

Personally, I don't like drugs and think people should stay the hell away, but I'm not willing to tell other people they can't, or use coercive powers and penalties to prevent them.  Any support of legal control is effectively that.

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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2009, 05:15:02 pm »

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Don't forget the epic fail case where a cop confiscates a bag of weed, smokes it in his home, calls 911 to report he's overdosing. (Which he was.)  He was fired IIRC.

Whaaaaat?  Can I get a source for this?  This sounds like something off of Snopes.  It's physically impossible to overdose off weed, you'd need to smoke so much that your lungs filled up with resin.  Trust me, I've tried and failed.

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I think people are delusional to think that crime will go down if it is legalized.  Criminals do what they do because it is "against the law" and they get a thrill from doing it.  Once marijuana becomes legalized, they'll start asking for ecstacy and crack to be legalized as well.  If they don't get their way again, they'll do it on the black market.

No, this is pretty much entirely incorrect.  Criminals do what they do because they WANT to and they don't care whether it's legal or not (so far as one can judge the motivations of an entire group collectively, which one can't, really).  I occasionally smoke weed because I like it, because it's a pleasant feeling that enhances my enjoyment of movies, music, and most games (edit:  not to mention FOOD, you can get twice as much value out of a buffet if you toke up a doobie before you go), not out of some juvenile attempt to rebel against THE MAN.  Also, "slippery slope" isn't a legitimate argument.

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It's the same thing with legalized prostitution.  If we legalized it, nationwide, it would no longer give people a thrill to do it.  The next thrill would be child prostitution.

Once again, you are completely wrong.  People go to prostitutes because they want to trade sex for cash with no strings attached.  Heterosexual men (by FAR the largest customer demographic of prostitutes) are not attracted to children, PERIOD.  People who are attracted to children are "pedophiles", not "straights".  You don't go to a prostitute for the thrill of doing something illegal, you go because you want a quick, guaranteed beejay or whatever, and you'd rather pay the money up front instead of going through some relationship, dinner and a movie, "will she won't she" dance.

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I support this as long as it doesn't get the same treatment as tobacco, with all sorts of chemicals put into it by large corporations.

Fortunately, it's a hell of a lot easier to grow weed profitably than it is to grow tobacco.  In the comparatively rural area I live in, probably 5% of the Billy Bobs and Jethros I know have some growing in their corn fields or sunflower fields or out in the woods somewhere.  Marijuana is a "weed", meaning it will basically grow anywhere.

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The typical drug pusher however, the guy who stands out on the street corner to sell you crack, earns less per hour then working at Micky D's (which he might very well do as well.).  They're in it for the hope of being the boss one day, they get paid like shit.  The runners make even less.

Okay, I have to correct this.  Drug dealing is hideously profitable.  Even the lowest-level guys make two to three times what a McDonalds' worker does.

Around here, a pound of the cheap stuff ("regs" as it is called) goes for $600-$800 depending on who you buy it from.  Ounces sell for $100.  If you only sell 16 ounces a week (just over two sales a day, possibly taking you a half hour of work a day), then you are making a minimum of $800, or roughly twice what the average burger-flipper makes, while doing five percent of the work.  However, only the laziest of stoner dope dealers sell a pound a week. If you live near a college dorm or any sort of construction site, anybody can easily sell a pound a day.  Think about that, you can potentially make ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS A DAY selling weed at the lowest levels if you have a large enough customer base.  If you're willing to do a little more work, breaking ounces up into quarter sacks or dime sacks, you can make even more profit.  Not to mention, since this is on the black market, you don't have to pay a dime of tax, you only have to pay for the sandwich bags.  No wonder so many people deal drugs, even with the risk of going to jail.

It only gets more profitable as you move up the chain.  Also, the "harder" drugs are more profitable than marijuana, because most of those can be "cut" with impurities to increase one's profit margin.
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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2009, 05:21:43 pm »

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Don't forget the epic fail case where a cop confiscates a bag of weed, smokes it in his home, calls 911 to report he's overdosing. (Which he was.)  He was fired IIRC.

Whaaaaat?  Can I get a source for this?  This sounds like something off of Snopes.  It's physically impossible to overdose off weed, you'd need to smoke so much that your lungs filled up with resin.  Trust me, I've tried and failed.

It might have been some really bad weed or laced with something, or might have inadvertently mixed a deadly cocktail of painkillers and beer with it or something.  I know what finally turned me off weed was a bad batch that made me think I was having a heart attack.
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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2009, 05:26:19 pm »

If I know the case, the cop in question baked it into brownies at a really high concentration. "Help! I think we're dying!"
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2009, 05:29:15 pm »

If I know the case, the cop in question baked it into brownies at a really high concentration. "Help! I think we're dying!"
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2009, 05:41:58 pm »

I know Freakanomics had a chapter on inner city drugs where he'd done the math.  Pot may have a different profit structure (doesn't do nearly as much good to control production, for instance)

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Re: Legalization of marijuana proposed in California
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2009, 06:16:12 pm »

I don't want to get into this whole ethics arguement going on here, in my opinion people can do whatever the hell they want to as long as they don't get in the way of what I want to do; which is mostly living and trying to enjoy my day. Yes everyone has problems with certain establishments, it's just that some do not dedicate their lives to destroying them, etc.

The first thought that ran into my mind are the organizations that make their money on weed, as well as other drugs. What can we expect to see when apart of their businesses become a legal and profitable venture? Money is not the root of all evil, infact it is the greed of it but hey! It sure helps!

Second what can we expect to see in businesses that deal with weed? (Future references, nothing as of now) The same crap we see from most, the more addicting stuff sells more but the things that make us feel great are usually what comes as a double edged sword. Of course you could still stick to local growers if you're so paranoid.

Third, I did not read the article so someone tell me what kind of tax will be imposed on weed.

And fourth, hemp, let's grow that too. It's about time people start using the stuff that grows from the ground more and not what comes out of it. BY ARMOK! That statement makes me feel like an elf. Of course this kind of stuff, (Plants in general) have much potential like most things we ignore now a days.
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2009, 06:18:48 pm »

Here here Creamcorn! Why are people only talking about the SMOKING aspect of legalizing Marijuana? The Hemp industry would EXPLODE with all the things they can do with this odd little weed.

Here's a little snippet from the first paragraph of the wikipedia article:

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Industrial hemp has many uses, including paper, textiles, biodegradable plastics, health food, and fuel.[1] It is one of the fastest growing biomasses known,[citation needed] and one of the earliest domesticated plants known.[2] It also runs parallel with the "Green Future" objectives that are becoming increasingly popular. Hemp requires little to no pesticides,[3] no herbicides,[4] controls erosion of the topsoil, and produces oxygen. Furthermore, hemp can be used to replace many potentially harmful products, such as tree paper (the processing of which uses chlorine bleach, which results in the waste product polychlorinated dibensodioxins, popularly known as dioxins, which is carcinogenic, and contributes to deforestation), cosmetics, and plastics, most of which are petroleum-based and do not decompose easily. The strongest chemical needed to whiten the already light hemp paper is non-toxic hydrogen peroxide. [5]

So not only is this a great benefit to a number of industries, widespread legalization would reduce deforestation and pollution!

Seeing as how you can make cloth out of it, it would (by extension) bolster the fashion industry!

I'll support the legalization if I get to wear awesome hemp clothes. period.
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2009, 06:22:56 pm »

Too bad you can't get high off of it, but that's always isn't the case of growing something in your closet!

I always hear my bro blather on about how healthy it can be to eat such legal plant things. (now I have to log off and do work :( )

also subscribing to this topic becuase the discussions aare getting good
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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2009, 05:42:10 am »

Holy shit. Hemp is awesome.

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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2009, 08:48:13 am »

I don't do drugs...never have and never will, but it is my choice. I know several people who smoke pot and they have no inclination to get into the hard stuff. I have to agree with Onlyhestands with this...
People who want to try a hard drug are going to do it despite the legality of softer drugs.

If people what to try the hard stuff they are going to do it anyway... It's not going to matter what we do or say.

We choose what we do with our life...and that includes what we put into our body. We except the fact that their will be consiquences to our actions and we move on.
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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2009, 01:28:06 pm »


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I think people are delusional to think that crime will go down if it is legalized.  Criminals do what they do because it is "against the law" and they get a thrill from doing it.  Once marijuana becomes legalized, they'll start asking for ecstacy and crack to be legalized as well.  If they don't get their way again, they'll do it on the black market.

No, this is pretty much entirely incorrect.  Criminals do what they do because they WANT to and they don't care whether it's legal or not (so far as one can judge the motivations of an entire group collectively, which one can't, really).  I occasionally smoke weed because I like it, because it's a pleasant feeling that enhances my enjoyment of movies, music, and most games (edit:  not to mention FOOD, you can get twice as much value out of a buffet if you toke up a doobie before you go), not out of some juvenile attempt to rebel against THE MAN.  Also, "slippery slope" isn't a legitimate argument.

No, you are wrong.  I've seen it over and over again.  People who commit crime, do it because it is wrong.  Ask Charles Manson, Ted Bundy or any person in prison and they'll tell you they did it for the thrill of rebelling against law.

Frankly, I don't care to hear about your marijuana addiction.  Like I said before, it's a sign of weakness.  That says a lot about your simpleton arguments on these forums, now that you confess you smoke pot regularly.  It's a disgusting habit.

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It's the same thing with legalized prostitution.  If we legalized it, nationwide, it would no longer give people a thrill to do it.  The next thrill would be child prostitution.

Once again, you are completely wrong.  People go to prostitutes because they want to trade sex for cash with no strings attached.  Heterosexual men (by FAR the largest customer demographic of prostitutes) are not attracted to children, PERIOD.  People who are attracted to children are "pedophiles", not "straights".  You don't go to a prostitute for the thrill of doing something illegal, you go because you want a quick, guaranteed beejay or whatever, and you'd rather pay the money up front instead of going through some relationship, dinner and a movie, "will she won't she" dance.

Again, you are totally uninformed on this topic.  I've known several people who became pedofiles.  They started out perfectly normal.  They had normal girlfriends and wives, went to church and even held degrees in higher education.  Their attraction to children started with pornography, which led to prostitution, which led to child molestation.  I'm not just guessing here, this confession comes from their own mouths.

You are naive to think that people with these kind of problems are just automatically flawed.  Their flaws came from years tiny steps, starting with pornography.


The majority of people who want more leniency and legalization of such things is because they can feed their addiction more easily.  They WANT to see the harder stuff become legal so they don't have to feel guilty around others who do not fall into such weakness.  Search you soul, you know it's true.

When I point this out, the guilty become angry.  It's because I've touched a sensitive nerve deep inside that they know is true.
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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2009, 01:36:53 pm »

Who died and made you the world's ultimate moral authority, Moon? Also, you should call the criminal profilers and tell them they're obsolete.
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