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[Yanlin]

I think people are delusional to think that crime will go down if it is legalized.  Criminals do what they do because it is "against the law" and they get a thrill from doing it.  Once marijuana becomes legalized, they'll start asking for ecstacy and crack to be legalized as well.  If they don't get their way again, they'll do it on the black market.

No, this is pretty much entirely incorrect.  Criminals do what they do because they WANT to and they don't care whether it's legal or not (so far as one can judge the motivations of an entire group collectively, which one can't, really).  I occasionally smoke weed because I like it, because it's a pleasant feeling that enhances my enjoyment of movies, music, and most games (edit:  not to mention FOOD, you can get twice as much value out of a buffet if you toke up a doobie before you go), not out of some juvenile attempt to rebel against THE MAN.  Also, "slippery slope" isn't a legitimate argument.

No, you are wrong.  I've seen it over and over again.  People who commit crime, do it because it is wrong.  Ask Charles Manson, Ted Bundy or any person in prison and they'll tell you they did it for the thrill of rebelling against law.

Frankly, I don't care to hear about your marijuana addiction.  Like I said before, it's a sign of weakness.  That says a lot about your simpleton arguments on these forums, now that you confess you smoke pot regularly.  It's a disgusting habit.

It's the same thing with legalized prostitution.  If we legalized it, nationwide, it would no longer give people a thrill to do it.  The next thrill would be child prostitution.

Once again, you are completely wrong.  People go to prostitutes because they want to trade sex for cash with no strings attached.  Heterosexual men (by FAR the largest customer demographic of prostitutes) are not attracted to children, PERIOD.  People who are attracted to children are "pedophiles", not "straights".  You don't go to a prostitute for the thrill of doing something illegal, you go because you want a quick, guaranteed beejay or whatever, and you'd rather pay the money up front instead of going through some relationship, dinner and a movie, "will she won't she" dance.

Again, you are totally uninformed on this topic.  I've known several people who became pedofiles.  They started out perfectly normal.  They had normal girlfriends and wives, went to church and even held degrees in higher education.  Their attraction to children started with pornography, which led to prostitution, which led to child molestation.  I'm not just guessing here, this confession comes from their own mouths.

You are naive to think that people with these kind of problems are just automatically flawed.  Their flaws came from years tiny steps, starting with pornography.


The majority of people who want more leniency and legalization of such things is because they can feed their addiction more easily.  They WANT to see the harder stuff become legal so they don't have to feel guilty around others who do not fall into such weakness.  Search you soul, you know it's true.

When I point this out, the guilty become angry.  It's because I've touched a sensitive nerve deep inside that they know is true.

I repeat.

People use drugs because they make them feel good. There's scientific backing. Most drugs release dopamine in your brain. The stuff that makes you feel happy. They obviously associate that with something. A normal brain function. They associate it with the drug. Some do receive a thrill from doing stuff that are against the law. But these people are merely delusional rebels. Drugs trigger the release of dopamine in your brain. Scientific fact. Not just a bit of dopamine. A LOT of dopamine.

I think the word dope comes from dopamine. The stuff is dope. Dopamine.

Here are some references.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Reinforcement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_addiction



I don't even want to start explaining you that porn is not the cause of prostitution.

Seriously Moon. Stop being delusional and in denial.

You also mentioned that the arguments of our resident pot smokers are invalid because they smoke pot. That is untrue. Their arguments deserve the same treatment. You instantly dismiss them. Dare I say, you are an idiot.



Next up, asking anyone in jail why they've done it.

You'll find that your statement is false. Sure they enjoy committing a crime. But that's not what caused them to do it. There's always a motive. White hat hackers hack for fun. Smokers smoke for fun. Criminals have fun by feeling like they have beaten the system. They earned a lot of money in a short span of time. Obtained something unobtainable normally. Etc.

[MoonDancer]

Moon, I have to ask...are you stating facts or opinion because if you are stating facts then please provide us with proof...something to back up your words.

[Yanlin]

Sorry. I quoted the wrong person.

Anyway, yes Moon. Provide us proof. Like I've said, you're stating FALSE things.

[Moon]

Sorry. I quoted the wrong person.

Anyway, yes Moon. Provide us proof. Like I've said, you're stating FALSE things.

I did.  I gave you several witnesses.  In a court of law 100 witnesses outweighs any physical evidence.

You're the one pulling stuff out of your butt.

[Yanlin]

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What witnesses?

I'm pulling stuff out of my butt while I have references and scientific proof?

Also, in a court of law, even over 9000 witnesses do not outweigh physical evidence. You can have a billion people saying one thing and evidence saying another. The evidence will win NO. MATTER. WHAT.

[Moon]

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What witnesses?

I'm pulling stuff out of my butt while I have references and scientific proof?

Also, in a court of law, even over 9000 witnesses do not outweigh physical evidence. You can have a billion people saying one thing and evidence saying another. The evidence will win NO. MATTER. WHAT.

I won't rewrite what I already posted.  I think you're smart enough to figure out how to use your browser (well maybe not if your smoking pot) .

Also, in a court of law.  You need only 2-3 witnesses to prove just about anything.  Go ask a judge.

[Moon]

This backlash just proves my point, LOL

When I point this out, the guilty become angry.  It's because I've touched a sensitive nerve deep inside that they know is true.

[DJ]

When everyone disagrees with you, don't you think you should re-examine your position? I mean, you're boiling down very complex issues into black and white issues here. If things were really as you say, police and courts would have a lot easier time doing their job, and a lot of things they do (such as proving motive) would be a waste of time and resources. So, either you are wrong, or you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. I don't think I could claim to be right with such confidence as you do in such a situation, even if my argument was something like "the sky is blue".

Also, in a court of law.  You need only 2-3 witnesses to prove just about anything.  Go ask a judge.

There's a couple of us claiming you're spouting nonsense. Therefore, any court would find your argument to be wrong.

[Moon]

When everyone disagrees with you, don't you think you should re-examine your position? I mean, you're boiling down very complex issues into black and white issues here. If things were really as you say, police and courts would have a lot easier time doing their job, and a lot of things they do (such as proving motive) would be a waste of time and resources. So, either you are wrong, or you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. I don't think I could claim to be right with such confidence as you do in such a situation, even if my argument was something like "the sky is blue".

I'm right, just like the billions of witnesses I cited above.  I'd say you're the one outnumbered.

[DJ]

Would you be so kind to give us some quotes from those witnesses that support your point? I mean, I can cite Dalai Lama and the Pope (who is infallible, BTW) as my witnesses, but without actual statements from them that support my argument that wouldn't mean anything.

[Bromor Neckbeard]

I have the sneaking suspicion that we're being trolled here (a look at Moon's posting history is educational to say the least), but I'll bite anyway.

No, you are wrong.  I've seen it over and over again.  People who commit crime, do it because it is wrong.  Ask Charles Manson, Ted Bundy or any person in prison and they'll tell you they did it for the thrill of rebelling against law.  Frankly, I don't care to hear about your marijuana addiction.  Like I said before, it's a sign of weakness.  That says a lot about your simpleton arguments on these forums, now that you confess you smoke pot regularly.  It's a disgusting habit.

Did you read my post?  You know, where I talked about the economics of weed dealing?  Yet you seriously contend that every criminal EVER did it solely for the thrill of breaking the law, and not because they could make ten times the money while doing a tenth of the work entailed in a normal job?

If I thought you were serious, I'd probably link to that Bob Saget scene from Half-Baked, but I'll just say that you're seriously out of line in making these personal attacks and claiming that I have a weed "addiction".  The last time I smoked that stuff was, jeez, it must have been a month ago.  What kind of addiction is it when a guy can go a month without a fix?  I'm arguably more addicted to Dwarf Fortress than I am marijuana.

But, you wouldn't know much about that, would you?  Considering that you have never made a "Dwarf Fortress" related post in your time here on the forums.

Again, you are totally uninformed on this topic.  I've known several people who became pedofiles.  They started out perfectly normal.  They had normal girlfriends and wives, went to church and even held degrees in higher education.  Their attraction to children started with pornography, which led to prostitution, which led to child molestation.  I'm not just guessing here, this confession comes from their own mouths.

Maybe you should start hanging out with a better class of people.  You know, potheads, instead of pedophiles.  By the way, what "billions" of witnesses did you cite?  Maybe it's because I'm a loathsome simpleton drug addict or something, but I missed the part where you cited any anything besides, "nuh uh, because I said so!"

[Toady One]

Moon is wrong, because Moon is the one engaging in personal attacks on my forum.  If you can't frame your argument without attacking the other posters, please refrain from posting.  Bromor is also wrong, for biting.